Cant get too pissed, pretty much what is expected by now anyway

Anyway he said it's not really the game they're showing, so we'll have to wait till E3

Awww, slightly dissapointing, but I was expecting such.

no pics or videos? =(

the funny part? Ine three weeks we learn this too was pre rendered.

e3?

Yeah, that is disappointing - they really need that killer app. Still - as Motorstorm proves, amazing graphics aren't much without depth. While they are certainly capable of making games look good, especially after some tweaking, I hope they're spending the bulk of their time focusing on making the game enjoyable to play.

Yeah, I knew it wouldn't be like the target render.

So they're openly admitting that the gameplay is not even close, and at the very least, this writer wasn't impressed with what they wanted to show as being the actual meat of the presentation.

Argh, stop demoing things that arent in a fit state to be shown and get on with releasing Killzone Liberation online already. It's been 3 months since I completed it and they havent even released the ending to the single player game yet!

Why show something that is obviously bad at this point? Seriously, disclaimers can be said, but we are a very visual society (and by society I mean the gaming society).

Seems like Home will be the only bit of news people can hang on. Actual full length game news for the PS3 still comes up short...

@Marasai: Hahaha!

I'm not at all surprised. Hopefully the final game turns out well, though. The original showed so much potential.

You would be surprised what a dev group could get done between now and the games release. The true test will come when they actually do an official unveiling of the game in some form or another. While I don't think it will look like the original "target trailer" I would expect it to be on par with Resistance at the least. If it's not then they are in trouble.

I don't get it, why show it at all if you swore you wouldn't be showing it...especially if it doesn't live up to the cg?

Maybe this is just a step in the right direction for Sony...honesty. But I still don't understand why you'd show it.

Michael, can you at least tell us if it looks better than Gears and Halo3?

@Roroco:

Good point. Where is the GOOD full length PS3 game news that will make me fire up the PS3 in anticipation?

Was there drivable vehicles? squads? Split screen?

Seems like important details, in my opinion.

I don't get the killzone hype? i played the first one and it was a "alright i guess"

maybe sony should focus their attention on something other that fps. not everyone in the world is an online fps fanatic plus, they can't compete with the massive halo fanbase that xbox has. it's like comparing apples to oranges.

why don't they make a really cool side scroller like a contraesque style game.

that's where the money is!!

there's a lot of 360 fans here. Look, believe me you don't want Microsoft to rule the roost.

The attractive part here is PS3 Home, but remember that this is GDC--DEVELOPERS.

The Playstation Edge thing means that the software initiative is now getting the Sony funding. The beginning of software libraries and fleshed out API.

Also, more RSX support. RSX is Nvidia's/Sony's graphic chip. Due to the court dispute Nvidia's had with MS, Nvidia has a stake in the success of the PS3. It's a showdown here.

Microsoft, ATI/AMD vs Intel, Nvidia, Apple, Google, Sony

Yeah, would you fanboys just step back and look at the big picture?

@Scuba Steve:

Well remember man, they weren't actually showing off the game itself - just the (incomplete) engine and a few environments. I wouldn't expect information of that sort to come out any time soon.

I don't think anybody really expected this game to look like the target render, but I am disappointed with the reactions here. Hopefully it shapes up before it launches. 5-6 months with a development team of this magnatude COULD mean a lot of polishing/improvements if their management has everybody working in crack teams a la Bioware. Have you guys read the developer diary for Mass Effect? They really know how to do great, concentrated work with a huge team.

I'll probably pick up a PS3 this fall, and I'm hoping this game will be a "wow" worthy title by then.

Hmm, Halo 3 beta coming...Killzone still being shown as a movie...

The next gen games are getting a bit tiresome. Look at the pic on this post, then look at the one on the post below. Notice any similarities? Super soldiers. Cities in ruin. They even used the same exact composition. Give me Parappa. Give me Loco Roco. Give me something new. A voice. A vision.

Shoot this big monster. Shoot that big monster. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Snore.

@rdun: nVidia should drop Sony before they lose more money.

@cabooglio

I very much agree - they're mostly just using 'next gen power' lately for more textures and polygons, not to make much more interesting games. I'd be happy with SNES quality graphics but crazy next gen power overlaid on that. Sonic in 2d with one rediculously massive level and 32 players? yes please! That would be more of the same but it'd atleast bump the gameplay up a notch. the screensht for killzone in this post is interchangeable with so many other games (gears, warmonger, etcetera etcetera)

@cabooglio: truer words were never spoken.

It seems nobody knows how to listen these days. The demo was for Edge, not Killzone. Edge is new, how they moved Killzone to a new platform so quickly is something developers should be picking up on. They didn't start the game on Edge, but now its there, and the gameplay and engine is nearly complete. From here until E3 is eye-candy time. Stop looking at the pretty and start looking at what makes the game fun, this is EXACTLY what Sony is trying to show you, but everybody is constantly hung up on how 'good' it looks.

I just don't get the whole Halo "thing", I mean yeah, it was a fairly average FPS, but it was on a console?

Oh well, guess the unwashed masses need something to keep them appeased...

What is E3 then? I thought it was going to be nothing more than a closed-doors type conference? Did E3 get upgraded again?

Toothdecaykills: You are right. This is for Edge, but what does this say for Edge? That it has the potential to deliver something great, but instead we get not so great Killzone footage. Sony has been giving us that line for a while now, it is all about potential. I am getting sick of all the talk of potential. The first Killzone was an average game; nothing says that this one will not be just as average with potential for great graphics. Sony should have thought of this when they wanted to show off Edge and maybe chosen something less controversial than Killzone. Why would you use the item that has brought a stain to Sony thus far when it is still not living up to what they had showed previously? Who knows, it is Sony, sometimes I think they like to take the path that might hurt them the most.

They really had no choice but to downplay it.

Unless Sony has something at least equal to Gears of War, all anyone will write about KillZone2 is HOW it's not as good as GOW.

I liked Killzone and if i was buying a PS3 then i wouldn't be disappointed with Killzone 2. It wasn't the graphics that made the game for me anyhow...

what? E3 is back??

what? E3 is back??

E3 never left. It just changed.

I just want to see Killzone with my own eyes, and then I'll judge it for itself... It could very be the best looking FPS of all 2007

@rdun: No fear of Microsoft ruling the roost. At this point, I'd say Nintendo has this generation won; MS will be lucky if they get second.

No fear? What do you mean? What are you seriously seeing that no one sane can see?

Ohh whoopty doo, ps3 home. It's a free mmo. whoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I'm so impressed.

I think that the real news is that Sony finally figured out how to lie so that people are HAPPY when the truth is revealed...

@manjikengo: Don't try to start a flamewar here, I'm just stating mathematical facts. Nintendo's Wii has been on the market for less than 6 months, but it's sold more than 50% of the units MS's 360 has sold in over a year.

Believe me when I tell you, I despise Nintendo, and they're the last console-maker I want to see win this generation. But that's what's going to happen, whether I like it or not.

Moving back onto topic, anyone who expected KZ to look like the promo videos was fooling themselves to begin with. We live in the age of "target renders." It's vaporware till it's running in my game system, thanks very much.

The lay person who doesn't know so much about game consoles, "Joe Six Pack" if you will, probably saw that KZ video and was blown away. He had no idea what CGI or pre-rendered meant and wrote off all the people talking crap about it as Sony haters. He believed that this was what Killzone 2 was going to look like when he played it. He thought this was the actual game.

This is the reason J6P (Joe 6 Pack) held off on buying a 360 because Killzone 2 looked so much better and no one could destroy his dream. J6P is gonna be really disappointed when he fires up the real KZ2 when it comes out, but Sony accomplished what they set out to do by releasing all those CG videos. The did the same crap when the Dreamcast came out too.

"Believe me when I tell you, I despise Nintendo, and they're the last console-maker I want to see win this generation."

And why is that? If it weren't for Nintendo over 20 years ago, you wouldn't be playing video games, and these developers bashing the Wii for being "underpowered" wouldn't have a job.

@Digital_Sky:

"Moving back onto topic, anyone who expected KZ to look like the promo videos was fooling themselves to begin with. We live in the age of "target renders." It's vaporware till it's running in my game system, thanks very much"

I guess we live in different worlds, or I have the luxury of knowing that very few(if any) 360 games have "target renders" that are passed off as actual gameplay. And how is someone fooling themselves when it was Sony who said that it was "Actual gameplay"? Please explain to me how and when it dropped from "actual gameplay" to a mere "promo video"?

I like the Wii concept but your kidding your self if you think it's in the same product class as the 360 or the PS3.

The Wii is targeting casual gamer's and the totally uninitiated. The other two console war players have got to love that the Wii is creating new gamer's, expanding the market.

Now if nintendo's next console is a graphical powerhouse that may change.

Only a retard would have thought Killzone 2 would look like the trailer from E3. It's like trying to say Halo 3 is going to look like shit at release after looking at the alpha. WIP you fucking idiots, and yes, the game isn't going to look like the trailer. Get over it.

@usedtabe: GRAW's target renders were the subject of much ire when the final game to light. Not that it doesn't look damned good, but not as good as what was initially shown.

The reference to KZ's first showing being a promo vid is my take. Sony supporters were bragging that the KZ and UT demos were realtime gameplay running on preproduction PS3 hardware. What I'm saying is, people who believed that were smoking hope. I've talked to some of these people; you wouldn't believe the lengths they'll go to in order to distort reality.

@moonfirelol: Read a book called Game Over and you'll have a few of the reasons why I hate Nintendo. The entire N64 era pretty much sums up the rest of it.

@Digital_Sky:

Okay, I see what what you're saying now. Good for you not being duped over the original hype of that pre-rendered Killzone2 footage. All in all, I hate pre-rendered material that's passed off as gameplay for any game or system. It's almost an insult to gamers to try and make them believe thats what the game is going to be like.

Considering the many "Sad times but I was expecting that" comments in here - it shows how badly Sony has tarnished their reputation with gamers.

It's a very bad sign.

@Digital_Sky:

It is way too early to declare a winner for the next gen. Unless you can tell the future, you're just not going to know. The Wii could surface with a 360ish defect in the system that creeps up in the up coming months that renders it a paper weight, either way; it is too early to make any calls on who has "won". Give it a year and more accurate prediction can be made, but until all consoles have a year under their belts it is way too "iffy".

Clearly what you saw must have been almost 2-years worth of improvements since Sony clearly stated on TV that the 2005 killzone video was in-game fotage, no? They wouldn't be lying, would they?

Well as long as Killzone 2 isnt worse than Resistance Ill be happy. It would take a pretty good amount of talent to achieve that.

Since "Call of Half-life" was rather sub par asides from the nice level design.

I still dont get why there are so many rabid fans of that game.

These days, the consumer is well and truly clued up due to television programs about technology and a generally far more techo-savvy populat