odd that we went from everybody crying over the loss of E3 as we understood it, to competing shows.
still, if this year was any indication, E trying to rival Pax is a piss poor idea, unless they really find a niche to fill - like how many here were saying they could just end up the next spaceworld/nintendo show, with some indie highlights. if that's what theyre going for, hey, good luck to them.

ill be surprised if it even does happen this year. wcg is out and they had something like 35% of the floor,sony and ms are both not going.i doubt nintendo is going.so what is gonna be at e for all?

Went to PAX this year... didn't really see what the big deal is. If you like going somewhere to play games with your friends then PAX is for you; if you're like me and don't need an excuse to leave your apartment to play a game then there really is no point.

It was fun and the little expo floor they had was exciting for a day, but that's about it.

With that said E for All sounds like a buzzard trying to pick the peices from the E3 corpse and their little advertising campaign outside of PAX this year pissed me off greatly.

How did the E for All people arrive at this most illogical of decisions? PAX brought 30,000 people from all over the country together, and E for All is going to try and, what, steal some of those people away?

What would happen if PAX 08's date was simply changed? Would E for All change theirs as well? An interesting premise. Lets hope they do it.

I would think there are enough gamers to support both. Right?

Maybe there are indeed enough gamers that would pay $100 for a show that kicks you out at 6 or 8pm, but I wouldn't go anywhere near it for fear that some retard would get rubbed on me.

*screech*

*clank*

*crash*

*TRAIN WRECK*

Me: oooooh!

Yeeeah... I live in Scotland and I'd dearly love to go to PAX. I don't give a shit about E for All. I think that answers the popularity question

Ya know, I think they are totally stupid. I mean, it would make sense if it were somewhere without a whole lot of game conventions, that way the average person would have fun with it and have a good time but no, they put it in LA where nobody is gonna give a shit because there are so many better things for people to attend.

I've sent an email to E For All letting them know how displeased I am with their charging an arm and a leg to get in and their 300 feet of red tape to get a press pass, even for those who have been to every E3 since it's inception. They are doomed!

E for All.

The Leonidas of game conventions.

The problem with E for All is that it only has one thing to give... New games. Unfortunately all the new games will be out next month so why pay $500+ to go to LA and see the games and how much time will you get to play them and have to wait in line.

The great thing about PAX is that there is so much going on that if you feel bored, go somewhere else and you could play a board game, get into a Magic the Gathering tournament, or watch a panel discussion on girls and gaming. Will E for All have this?

Plus, PAX has the power of Gabe and Tyco. Who can beat that??

What I would love to know... is why do these public game expos all cost SO much to attend, yet, TGS.. a show on the scale of E3, and the like, which is also public, only costs $10 to get into.

I think it's typical american Greed, more than anything >:O

@Unastheslayer-PSN: Yeah, well I live right here in LA and I don't give a shite about E for All either. I would dearly like to go to Scotland however.

@Robert Summa: WOW the World Famous Rob Summa commenting on Kotaku! Surely he can't complete the set and get a job here... the universe would surely collapse if he did!

On the story at hand, this E for All expo sounds a lot like the crappy shows that various cities around Australia put on and are never heard of again...

"Oh no he di'n't!"

@Sabre_Justice: There is no part of that statement that makes sense.

Other than the fact that they both died. Horribly.

@LordMaim: There's that, and the fact that 300 is probably the absolute maximum of people that will attend E for All (though I could be overshooting there) and that they're fearless going up against a stupidly impossible foe to beat.

I travelled from Scotland to Seattle for PAX (which was awesome, in case you were wondering). Not sure I could say I would do the same for E For All.

I thought the best part of the article was that IDG World Expo CEO Mary Dolaher had "no idea" what PAX was.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that IDG's mission statement "E for All was created as a celebration of video games and the people who play them." is pure crap... just gently suggesting that YOU CANNOT "celebrate video games and people who play them" IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT PAX *EXISTS*.

Seriously guys, I thought suit-tactics 101 was to research your market sector before jumping in, and right now PAX is the biggest consumer games show in the world after TGS.

At this point, I'm just sorta hoping that Nintendo just sorta treats E For All like Spaceworld and kinda makes it their own thing.

Otherwise, there's no hope for the show, it seems.

First off, all hail Khoo.

And this E for All thing, is seriously a lame attempt to restart E3. And trying to get people to come by walking inside the Expo, and giving people flyer's and glow sticks. And they didn't had permission to come! E for All is like that drunk guy who was kicked out of PAX. Their promotion for their own conventions, will fail, critically.

@Sabre_Justice: Are they also naked from the waist down, like the Spartans were in Frank Miller's original comic? Because that might be interesting, versus the snoozefest its actually going to be.

I can't believe what I'm reading, actually.
E3 was the most sought-after gaming event in the WORLD, and it was all because of the team that produced it, including Mary Dolaher. Of course she knows what PAX is - what are you smoking?

PAX was obviously a great event and it's not going anywhere. And while they had a good showing they didn't have the endorsement of the ESA, which includes Microsoft and Sony.

Why is everyone so down on E for All? Last year, all you wanted to do was get into E3. Now they're trying to make that happen for you and you're whining?

This isn't about PAX vs. E for All - there is plenty of room for both. And yes, E for All seems to have plenty to offer aside from games, but I fully expect there will be a lot more unreleased games on display at E for All than there were at any other public show in the USA this year.

I do, however, wish they'd just call it E4.

If I had to choose between the two, it would be the vastly further away PAX.