so he hates it because he now has to change the way he plays because of some changes?

So he went and memorized every enemy placement of the DC version, and now he's pissed off because they slightly altered it?

@vega480: Basically. Now he can't play through the game robotically until he gets used to the new placement. Therefore, it is obviously terrible.

What a moron.

Pedant.

Punch line overload.

But hey I guess if the enemy placement in Ikaruga is the worst thing in his life right now, things are A-Ok.

if they changed some things, doesnt that mean its not a port?

lol, discomforting the shmup pro

He can no longer define his life by a game he has mastered. He has to start again!

....wow. All I'm reading is "THEY CHANGED WHAT I SPENT MONTHS MEMORIZING SO IT'S HORRIBLE." Reminds me of the shitstorms that happen whenever Blizzard removes the attunement quests for things - the hardcore raiders always throw gigantic fits over it.

Sidenote, I have the Gamecube version of Ikaruga. Is it DC/Arcade or was it changed?

@vega480: What? I don't see a problem here! I've seen people hate for less. This guy actually has a reason to hate. He didn't want a better game, he wanted a perfect port. If you don't get what you want, you should hate it. My parents raised me on this principle. My mother calls me every now and then to remind me what a failure of a son I am :(

...I love you mom :)

God forbid he would have to adjust to something NEW. Seriously, it's not skill if you just memorize enemy patterns and follow a set movement.
That's not even really "playing".

I hate to say it, but if anyone has a say in it I guess it would be that guy. I mean if Billy Mitchell came out and started talking all sorts of shit on the Amiga Donkey Kong I'm not about to second guess him. Being hypothetical of course.

Kingoro58k clearly has no life.

Kingoro58k is a terrible player
Kingoro58k LOL

He's pissed because he has to learn new enemy placement and lazer directions? How utterly lame.

To a lesser extent I can understand his position... to a lesser extent.

Hell, I remember the transition from Halo to Halo 2 made me sad because I eventually found out Halo's awsome zoom pistol was replaced with the puny magnum.

I still enjoyed the game, but it just wasn't the same (I even played the PC version of Halo for online play until some of my friends bugged me to get back to Halo 2).

Though, to say he hates the game for its change may be going a little extreme... or maybe not extreme enough?

@Anemone

Uh, don't you mean Steve Weibe? He is now the undisputed DK champ.

Ikaruga LOL? More like Kingoro58k LOL!

Wow... Way to nitpick.

He must hate capcom (Resident Evil/Megaman)

Ridiculous.

oh geez...

he's complaining because his previously memorized enemy placement is no longer the same and GOD FORBID you have to actually use SKILLS instead of rote memorization like test on naming all 50 States...

what a tool!!

If placement has changed, then technically it is a horrible port. But still an awesome game.

Everyone else in the world, however, is probably saying: shut up and tediously memorize something else so you can be happy on your deathbed.

Hm. Wait.

These guys really know their Ikaruga. It reminds me of simpler times when I would play the original Mega Man games on the NES and memorize how to beat each stage of the game in order to beat it, and then I would go and beat it again multiple times.
Nowadays I'm lucky if I have the time to complete one game before moving to the next.

I think there is a reason why this guy is the top rated player on this game, he obviously knows every single detail of it by now. I kind of understand him being a little upset since this was supposed to be a port and not a different version of the game, so basically he is just saying that he liked the old version better.

@GDW1017: I think the Halo pistol dealio is much more of an issue to get disappointed at than this. That was an awesome weapon getting taken away, changing gameplay, whereas this is nothing but something that will require him to actually play the game until he gets it memorized again.

@Rubix42: Not on TG: [www.twingalaxies.com]

All I read was "WAHHHH WAHHH WAHHHHHHH!"

Felt the need to post about this on his own blog? ....about the moving of.... Suddenly my life doesn't look that shitty anymore, but then again I'm a dad, so I'm the kind of nerd that can prove hes gotten laid at least once.

Little changes like that ruin strategies that took hours to devise.

@Anemone: the thing is though, most of the good players don't have that huge of a problem with it (going through forums it's obvious they're a little bitter, but still happy that the port is quite nice; sort of a "damn them for changing this, but I'm gonna have fun doing it" mood)-- just a scant few, one of which happens to be this guy. Most common recommendation for the hater? Buy a frickin NAOMI arcade board and Ikaruga, as it'll probably not cost much more than a 360.

Technically they do have reason to bitch a little bit, as the 'coming soon' pictures on Treasure's site touted a 'complete port' of the arcade version by the original staff [www.treasure-inc.co.jp] -- then again, wouldn't that require omission of online rankings, online coop, high res graphics and the like as well? Not to mention, it's still no reason to try and keep a #1 spot just to get your message across.

It would be really nice to get Treasure's response to this though (intentional or accidental), since some of the changes like lasers rotating the other way should have been caught if they weren't doing it on purpose, whether it be to catch long-timers off guard or for other reasons. Any chance you'd be able to throw them a note Bash?

@Rubix42: Yea, him too... Sorry my most recent copy of Guinness Book of World Records is probably 10 years old now.

More to topic, I see where he is coming from. Though they left most of the Marth's moveset from SSBM the same, (for arguement's sake we won't get into dmg, knock back, and hitboxes) they edited his neutral b and it really took away a useful air attack. Now it's useful for recoveries rather than as a very fast and often unexpected kill from edge guard.

All this hate over...what? some very mild tweaks to THE ORDER WITH WHICH ENEMIES COME OUT OF A GAME?!?!

Congrats Kingoro58K, I now hate hardcore gamers.

On a side note, this also brings to light how top-level Ikaruga play is dependent entirely on memorization instead of, say, dexterity or reflexes (though they help). If the color swap of a laser attack of ONE boss is enough to piss people off...Jesus.

Also, in an unrelated note, Harvey Birdman Attorney At Law just came on, so life just got REAL good. That show fucking rocks, anyone play the game? I'm interested if it rocks as hard as the cartoon.

IF it isn't broken, and you change it, you broke it. It doesn't seem horribly illogical to me, but then I don't mind.

Well, if he's having problems with the XBLA's version of Ikaruga, why doesn't he just call it Ikaruga: Ikaruga Harder?

Kids these days.

The original Ikaruga was perfect the way it was. THAT'S his problem. His problem isn't mainly rememorizing. It's that the original Ikaruga was perfect. That's it perfect nothing to add change or subtract. It should've just been in HD and as a hardcore shump'er i thoroughly agree.

-I'll be on the leaderboards this or next week under Fatalpenguin.

@muu: I agree, they must not have changed it in a manner that ruined it since he still managed to be the best. He is just being a bitter-bitch, but I do think his complaints do have some merit.

I think it's understandable for anyone to complain about unwarranted changes to an arcade port. If there were a reason it'd be fine but it's just either a mistake or purely for shits and giggles.

@Gunhaver: In Ikaruga's case, memorization without dexterity would fail.

Given the niche appeal of the 2D shooter genre, it tends to attract more than it's fair share of game snobs. I get the sneaking suspicion that if this wasn't an issue, he'd probably be complaining just as loudly about something like screen resolution or something ridiculous like that.

This isn't Kingoro58k, this is Kingoro58k LOL.

Um... is his biggest complaint that the placement has changed? I can't read the complete list of his dislikes because it is all in Japanese, but I still don't see how that makes it Ikaruga LOL version 1.3

So he'll have to change a bit of his game to accommodate the subtle differences in the versions. He isn't the top ranked Ikaruga player for nothing, right?

@T6Spades: Fixed. Don't worry, you can thank me later Kingoro58k.

@Otacon91: no no, he didn't just write this on his blog. The main beef people are having is that he wrote it on his Gamertag's bio, which is why he's so desperately trying to keep his first-place position.

Lemme guess...got his ass handed to him because of the minor changes, and wants to blame the version. What a whiner.

@Anemone: What is there to merit? Am I missing something here? No one made him buy the goddamn game. He's still number one, and it's still Ikaruga.

God-fucking-forbid maybe the people who ported the game over decided to throw a lil curve ball into the game to make it somewhat harder seeing as how it's an old game and there are tons of people out there who have memorized every aspect of it.

If it pissed him off that much, go back to playing the Dreamcast version and stop crying about it. Or he could do something REALLY constructive with his time and read a book, or even meet a girl.

@Otacon91: Rent it only. It's extremely short and I was bored with it even though I'm a fan of the series. (I 100% completed it in less than 4 hours.)

Wait, now I thought this came out on the cube, not the dreamcast, did I miss something???
I have nothing constructive nor insultive to add to this, simply a question. I own Ikaruga on cube but havn't bothered to play it simply because if I die after beating the first boss of the first level of a game, I'm pretty much not going to make further than that.
~Peace~

@Maldron: Or... it wasn't broken, you changed it - and you improved it. Dun dun dunnnnn! The plot thickens!