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Stephen King Weighs in on Video Game Violence
Comment by: bzr_wzr
Nominated by: Hayko

Just my two cents: The amount of condescension and disrespect here is just unreal sometimes. People with differing values and opinions are not automatically dumb, idiots, morons, fascists, anarchists, or otherwise-negatively connotated. They simply come from different frames of reference. People should respect the opinions of others, unless they are presented in a manner that is just outright rude, hostile, or disrespectful. People on both sides of the argument here have presented valid opinions, and simply writing them off because you happen to disagree with them is ultimately a disservice to yourself and your future as a raitonal human being, not to mention your peers. And, again, I'd like to reiterate that this applies to people on both sides of the issue (or any issue, really).

Argue, but don't condescend.

Pachter Predicts Wii Fit Win
Comment by: Sixtail
Nominated by: NeoAkira

Hardcore gamers are angry because Nintendo is again #1 and they had little to nothing to do with it. They are angry because Nintendo has discovered what everyone else knew, the money and marketshare is not with the self confessed hardcore gamers who tend to buy 15-20 games a year, but with the casual gamers who buy 5-10 games and play the hell out of them. They are angry because they are waking up to the fact that all their focused rage means complete dick in the grand plan of things, the biggest blockbusters are just that because causals drive the market and have driven the market from..hell the 8bit years, but have only really gotten attention from the PSX launch.

They are angry because they feel Nintendo is no longer sucking their taint enough with game offerings and thus spew misbegotten slanted talking points like "Minigames lol" "Two GameCubes taped together, lol" and rage like babies without their bottle when Nintendo does small minor things like..not allowing you to do the full range of things with a Gamecube controller that you can do with the Wiimote and scream "Lazy programing. How dare you not cater to me and my refusal to adopt the new controller!" They claim Nintendo's focus is on causal gamers when the 'Wii' series of games that are causal focused amount to a whopping '3' titles, yet when the typical Nintendo mainstays come out, they demand new IP's and when new IP's are released by Nintendo or anyone, they bomb in sales because hardcore gamers forget that they are at best 30% of the marketshare and that translates into complete shit for sales. When causal focused titles rack up millions of copies sold, they retreat to sites like this and rage among fellow nerds the crime of it all...the crime that the devs go and make a game that will make money.

These hardcore gamers claim they have supported Nintendo for years, yet they demand Nintendo do things that Nintendo does not do. Valid points they have like poor online are completely washed out because they can't stop acting like Nintendo's murdered their wife and child and the endless, endless meme dropping.

It is my belief that most of all, hardcores feel the last days for them at hand and believe that just because causal games sell better that Nintendo is leading the Four Horsemen up from hell to ruin all they hold dear..when that line of thinking is stupid, the flood of causals can only lead to growth and if properly taken care of, many of those causals might fall in love with gaming as these angry, hateful hardcores and thus result in proper sales for games the hardcores drool and masturbate so hard over, yet bomb so hard.

British Press Offering Cash for Lies About Gaming Crime
Comment by: Cruithne
Nominated by: Nirolak

I gots to have another go.

OK, How videogames turned me to a life of crime

I started out at University doing a media studies course, I was young, pretty and idealistic in those days. It was always my goal to be a hard hitting scandal exposing journalist, I wanted to change the world for the better, I wanted to make a real difference in people's lives.
Everything was going so well, I graduated with first class honors and soon found myself being headhunted by the biggest names in news publishing. I took a a job with The D**** M*** sure I was going to be a big name in journalism. But then things changed. I kept approaching my bosses with tips about scandals involving the highest in the land, sex parties with politicians and hookers, captains of industry up to their necks in criminality and tax dodging deals. The bosses didn't want to know, "we don't care about that stuff, just give a story with something about tits" they'd say.
I thought I could handle it at first, after all, what's wrong with a little titillation for the masses?
but it got worse, instead of me bringing them stories, they'd start telling me which stories they wanted, usually involving some harmless sub culture, something that the parents knew little about and could be terrified into thinking was the sure sign of the impending apocalypse.

It is with shame that I now think back on the headlines I gave them:

Hip Hop linked to autism

Comic books and cancer, is there a link?

The seedy underworld of the Teletubbies

My bosses loved it, the parents were terrified and the papers sold my the million.
And then one day my editor called me into his office.

What do you know about video games? he asked me.

Quite a bit I replied, I've been playing them for years, it's a great pastime and the community as a whole are a decent bunch of people always willing to help out someone down on their luck, donating games to kids in hospitals and sending games to troops stuck out in some foreign country, trying to make their hellish existence just that little bit better. And that's not all, I continued, for every negative study there's usually two or three demonstrating the positive side to games, the valuable skills learned through playing games and their use as a tool for teaching, I mean for instance,did you know that most surgeons who grew up playing video games perform better with new technology than older surgeons, that's a recorded fact.

He just glared at me and said are you taking the piss?

I said nothing, I knew better than to talk back when he was angry.

Look, he said, I want an exposé of videogames and I want it by this afternoon.
But I don't have anything bad to say I answered.
Then make something up, was his reply.

Make something up, isn't that, you know...illegal?

He glared even more, got very red in the face and screamed, look you little shit, there's an election coming up and the powers that be don't want people talking about stuff like the economy and the state of the hospitals, so it's our job to give the poor sods who buy our papers something else to think about, now make something up and it better be good or you'll be out of a job by this time tomorrow.

I said nothing, I just hung my head and left the office.

I had it finished by five O'clock, the headline read: Paedophiles play videogames, and so do your children

Well, he said, it's a bit big for a headline, but it'll do, well done, there'll be a nice bonus in your paypacket at the end of this month, and the Prime Minister wanted me to say thank you.
I couldn't speak.
After that they wanted more and more, and I gave them everything they asked for, I invented fictitious crimes, fabricated entire families torn apart by gaming and bribed desperate people to lie, even to the point of reporting imaginary crimes to the police.
And that was my undoing, you see, unlike me there are still real journalists out there, ones with integrity, and one of the independent press got wind of what I was up to, he exposed me and my paper, printed it all on the front page and supplied the police with a list of my crimes.

And that ladies and gentlemen is how videogames turned me to a life of crime.

Slate Declares the Wii Online a Smashing Failure
Comment by: NeoAkira
Nominated by: Captain Impulse

@Dag:
I can understand your stance on Nintendo draining money out of companies more deserving of the money. But I can't really agree that motion-sensitivity is a gimmick. It can be used in a gimmicky fashion, but the fact is that many developers haven't even tried to find a creative use for it (albeit they have no reason to as good games sell just as poorly as bad ones (Zack and Wiki)). And although Motion controls have been around for a long time they've never been as widely used as they have for the Wii.

Now I'm not saying the Wii is innovative, because it's not really. But I think things like Wii Sports and Wii Fit are more than marketing. They appeal to people who would otherwise see nothing appealing about video games. Now this might tie back in to your comment about Nintendo taking money away from the industry, but to be fair the majority of people who bought the Wii because it was a "hot" item and was "innovative" probably wouldn't have ended up buying a 360 or PS3. Wii = $250. 360 = minimum $350 and PS3 = minimum $400. I don't think those people would be willing to pay $100-150 more for a system that uses your standard controller. Now putting aside those people who bought a Wii purely on hype, we would have gamers who bought the Wii as their video game systems. From what I've heard on this forum, most people seem to have either a 360 or PS3 or both in addition to the Wii. And the fact that it's attach rate is low means that people are buying more games for other systems, which in turn means that it's not really taking away that much revenue from the industry. Sure it's taking away some, but not so significant that it's having a negative impact. I mean look at the total revenue for the video game industry for 2007. The highest ever, in history. So you can't tell me all that extra revenue is going to Nintendo, it's getting spread all around as I see it. Plus Wii games are cheaper to develop for than PS3 or 360 so even if a game doesn't do too well I'm sure many developers can recuperate their losses.

Now while many people dislike Nintendo's online system (as I do) there are still some aspects of it that I enjoy. For instance, a very small amount of memory on the Wii coupled with bad online infrastructure means no DLC for Wii games. I'm fine with that, as it forces developers to put all the content they can on the disc and not end up charging me for crap later; but this does have a downside as it stops me from using DLC usefully like with GH3 (Fuck rock band for the Wii!).

Now you make a good point. The PS3 is creating more advanced hardware/software integration with their video game system, the 360 is creating a more versatile online infrastructure, what is the Wii doing? I would say that in those two categories it's doing nothing. But I would still care to argue that it's expanding the audience for video games more than the other two. Yes the Wii has a low attach rate, but a large amount of the people buying it are newbies to gaming; they aren't gonna buy more than 2-3 games a year and that's fine by me. The point isn't that the people who bought the Wii as their first console begin playing video games fanatically. The point is that they realize "hey, perhaps video games are more than just a violence-inducing, child-like activity...perhaps it's a medium of entertainment that can be enjoyed by adults and children alike."

Shows like Oprah and Ellen DeGeneres displaying the Wii for their brainless audiences to observe as being an exception to the violent video game stereotype is a positive push for the industry. The Wii is like GH for casual gamers who don't want to play musical video games.

And for the record I agree with you about Eye of Judgment. That's actual innovation, but I believe that the Wiimote creates an opportunity for innovation even if the idea of motion-sensitivity isn't innovative itself.

Slate Declares The Wii A Smashing Failure
Comment by: obo
Nominated by: Demonbird


@ Sunjammer:
Shortsighted is shrugging off Sony and making little effort to work with all but the biggest Japanese third-party devs. Conservative is refusing to invest in improved console hardware or service, maintaining out-of-date content standards and refusing to take even small fiscal risks. Xenophobic is not caring about, and even fearing, markets outside of Japan because nobody in their top management quite knows what to do other than keep trying to sell units - no first-party understanding, or even desire to understand, what Western markets want.
Changing controller shapes isn't breaking rules. Sega made a much greater effort in the 16-bit days to push technology forward but didn't have the business model or resources to stay with Nintendo. Sony made a much greater effort in the 32/64-bit generation to push core console technologies - graphics, storage, audio - forward. Microsoft made a much greater effort with the Xbox to push online gameplay to the same level as PCs.
While Sega's bundling modems and Web browsers with their console, Sony's adding FMV on cheap media and Microsoft's mastering online gaming networks, what does Nintendo do with the Gamecube? Shit all over their own modem and broadband adapters by making no effort to sell them, and shit all over third-party demands for a high-storage format by going with the smallest disc capacity possible. Why? They thought load times were more important than rich content. They thought there was no market - and in Japan, there wasn't - for online gaming to justify the expense.
And what rules has Nintendo broken? They kept such strict prohibitions on blood and gore through the N64 era that they cemented themselves as a "kiddie console" in the West, and they rode the cartridge format so far into the ground that they entered the disc era with no experience and few third-party friends.
So Nintendo makes a console that finally supports the Internet, and what do they do? Ride inadequate storage into the dirt and cement themselves as a "kiddie console" with inane friend codes built to save the children. So long as each unit sells for a profit, Nintendo doesn't care. They give you a big-bang interface "innovation" - shoulder buttons, analog joysticks on a gamepad, a light gun without the gun stock - and sit on everything else hardware-related.
Obviously Nintendo cares about the world outside of Japan. But they won't ever let anything top the Japanese market as their key to a steady profit. If that means irrationally half-assing features that are low priorities to Japanese gamers - online functionality, graphics, platform inclusion in multi-platform third-party releases - so be it."

I Wonder What Will Break Next
Comment by: Eltigro
Nominated by: Pezdispenser

Here's the deal, as far as I've seen.

You can put scraps from a plate down the garbage disposal. Don't put large amounts of stuff down there. Keep the water running the entire time. Let the garbage disposal run longer than you think you need to (don't turn it off as soon as you don't see food anymore). Run the water for a little bit longer after you turn the disposal off. A friend of the family who is a plumber (not Mario) loves garbage disposals. That's what he gets most of his emergency house calls concerning. =)

You've probably figured this out but, don't put a bunch of potato peelings down the disposal. Here's why. Potatoes are high in starch. Why is that bad? Starch makes an excellent glue. Think of paper mache. The garbage disposal doesn't chop up food really, it's more like a blender with dull blades. It spins really fast and smashes food against the outside walls. Potatoes smash out there and then stick on the walls (remember the starch = glue thing?) That's why it backed up. Would have really been bad if you had put it down there, then turned off the water and not used the sink for a while. If that stuff had dried, you might need a chisel.

My mother-in-law's sister clogged up our disposal with potato skins just before my wife's baby shower. Not happy times.

Oils and Fats can cause a similar problem in that, they may go down the sink as a liquid, but if they cool and turn solid, they will stick to the sides of the drain pipe and cause clogging.

Best way to clean a disposal if it's stinking (wasn't mentioned, but I'll throw it in.) There's a drain for the disposal that the water comes out to go down the drain. It's probably a hose or something that connects to the pipe drain for the other side of the sink. If you disconnect this hose, you can buy a pipe cap for a few cents at the hardware store that will fit over the opening on the disposal. Cap up the disposal so it will not drain. Make sure it's tight. Run a little water to check for leaks. Now put some non-chlorine bleach such as Oxy-Clean in the disposal and run some warm water into it until it comes up to the bottom of the sink. Turn on the disposal and check for leaks again. Let it run for a few minutes. Picture what's going on inside. The blades are turning around in warm water with a cleaner. The Oxy bleach is cleaning all parts of the disposal that food might hit, stick to, rot, and start stinking. After a few minutes, stop the disposal, position a bucket or large bowl under the drain, and remove the cap. Reconnect the drain hose and run some more water with the disposal on as a kind of rinse cycle. The disposal should be as clean as it can be.

Other things to know about your disposal. Won't turn on? Checked the breaker box and the GFCI? There is a reset button on the bottom, push that and try again. There is also a manual crank for your disposal. You'll need a large hex wrench but you can use that to see if it will turn at all.

What's sad is, this is a video gaming website, but my biggest post ever is about a garbage disposal.


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That's it! The one and only Galactic Multi-Tap has drawn to a close. Next time, we'll be back with a good old fashioned Multi-Tap. Delightful!

7:00 AM on Mon Apr 7 2008
By Brian Ashcraft
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  • Image of Cchrist Cchrist at 07:06 AM on 04/07/08 *

    Ah another week of me not saying anything worthwile :P

  • No short funny comments this week? :(

  • new tag: Attack of the 50Ft comments.

  • @Flawless101: Yeah, the essays are always good, but I like a few one line zingers in there to balance it out. Some great insights this week, kudos.

  • At Last, comment of the week.

    Now that my mission is done, I can finally return to my home planet...

    (seriously, I'm more excited about this than any 43 year old ought to be, frankly, it's embarrasing )

  • Nice. Comments longcat could be proud off.

  • Last comment wins.

  • Comments. Tooo. Long. Longer. Then. Actual. Posts.

    Where are the zingers? The One Liners. The funny stuff.

  • I get it. This is called Galactic Multi-Tap because if you set your mouse wheel to scroll and read these comments it feels like you are reading the opening to Star Wars.

  • This Week in Comments brought to you by Tolstoy.

  • Image of Pezdispenser Pezdispenser at 07:32 AM on 04/07/08 *

    Awww, didn't make it this week. Gotta try harder, step over more children.

  • garbage disposal guy ftw. :)

    The hardcore gamers comment and the daily mail comment were both excellent too.

    The two Nintendo comments (pro and anti), I get they had to include both or none, kind of think none would've been better (no offence).

  • @Pezdispenser: Yeah but you still got a star :D

  • Image of DaiMacculate DaiMacculate at 07:46 AM on 04/07/08 *

    Funny that the best comment of this set IMO is from the Stephen King post, which I didn't read out of hand because I've grown so skeptical of King's writing over the last few years I've stopped caring about him or his opinions in any way ;)

    I also found the selection of comments from the Slate SSBB article fascinating, I had sent in a nom but it was generalized to the comment page (I think #2) for a particular poster, and then the conversation developed much further (and became more acrimonious) after I sent in the nomination, to the point where I considered withdrawing it entirely.

    I still disagree with Obo in general, and as I did in that post I'd point to the hit Nintendo has taken on the declining U.S. dollar as pretty solid proof that they sell more to us than Japan. I also continue to think SSBB online's problems have more to do with the game being primarily a GC/offline Title for more than 3/4 of the time it was in development, than with the Wii simply being incapable of delivering a relatively lag-free online experience. That has nothing to do with the features of that service or lack thereof; I consider the lack of voice chat a separate and (in my opinion) MUCH LESS IMPORTANT problem than the ridiculous levels of lag many have had to deal with.

    So yeah, if you haven't yet, follow the link back to the article and read through some of the back and forth, interesting stuff.

    Also Sixtail's comment was excellent ;)

  • Image of huginn huginn at 07:56 AM on 04/07/08 *

    @Woodwater: /agree.

    Read through most of the comments, and got bored with them (NeoAkira's being the exception). They are all worthy of being comments of the week, but in terms of best of the best, we've had better weeks.

  • A recent study shows a link between playing video games and having clean household plumbing

  • @Flawless101: I nominated a short funny comment, but it didn't make the cut. I forget who said it, too! Oh well.

  • Awesome, i got a collateral damage reference.
    I still think obo's entire line of argument is grade a bullshit, based on magical space-facts he pulled out of his hiney. In a debate on what constitutes rulebreaking, i'll say pushing the technical envelope ranks pretty low. Compared to the analog stick and dpad, who the heck cares about DVDs. If you do, you're in this scene for a whole different set of reasons than me.

    People who hate on Nintendo better have better reasons than "i think they should do what Sony or MS did", because Nintendo are soaring. As far as the business end goes, N got it nailed. There's this idea out there that Nintendo lost a ton of money on the cube; they didn't, if at all. They merely didnt sell as much as their competition.

    People don't give Nintendo's ability to infuse the knife's edge of shit with awesome anywhere near enough credit.

  • Sixtail's comment is pure win. So is bzr_wzr's. Wicked.

  • Sixtail and Cruithne, well done, those posts were genius.

  • Sixtail. You have won.
    @Sunjammer: yeah a lot of people don't seem to realise that Nintendo has made money on nearly all their consoles they've ever released (virtual boy not included)
    @Strange Bedfellows: If short funny comments aren't going to make the Galactic Multi-tap then I'M DOOMED!!!

  • Could I be more over long comments? Probably not.

  • Can people please stop shitting on the long comments?

    Fair enough, you want the funnies, but I think Cruithne's comment was far better than a few lines of comedy. A developed, witty, yet ultimately sad anecdote, that would never have had the same impact in a few lines.

    A developed response to the effect of the Wii, both praising and decrying Nintendo. They don't really put forward points you'll not have heard before, but NeoAkira and Obo put forward their points of view in a way that stimulates response, and true debate on interesting matters.

    bzr_wzr kept people in check, pointing out the disrespect and defensively condescending nature of commenters here. It wasn't an essay, but something that I felt needed to be said.

    And finally the genius of spontaneous responses. Go go Eltigro! If you want to slaver over games with blinkered indifference, sure, but I come to Kotaku not just for games, but for the atmosphere that comes with it. It's not a site that takes itself too seriously, and while people come here because of games, I like to think there's something more that keeps people coming back.

    So if all you're going to do is decry the shocking lack of amusing zingers, take a bit longer to read through original comment threads, and then perhaps you'll appreciate the truly great people at Kotaku.

  • @aelfin: Brevity is the soul of wit. Seeing as this is Kotaku though, I'll use about two-hundred more words, beating my point into an effervescent puddle of potent, noxious fumes. Content with choking upon the rising self-righteousness inside of me, I'll laugh, knowing that even if someone disagrees with me, their comment will be much shorter, and therefore, not as valid as mine.

  • "So Nintendo makes a console that finally supports the Internet, and what do they do? Ride inadequate storage into the dirt and cement themselves as a "kiddie console" with inane friend codes built to save the children. So long as each unit sells for a profit, Nintendo doesn't care. They give you a big-bang interface "innovation" - shoulder buttons, analog joysticks on a gamepad, a light gun without the gun stock - and sit on everything else hardware-related."

    In other news today, the world of charitable foundations was struck with amazement when it was revealed that Nintendo is, in fact, a for-profit organization that seeks a return in revenue for investment. Quoted lead designer Shigeru Miyamoto, "I wish to apologize, but we have not maintained our mission statement of 'Bring peace and joy to the people of the world that beat Super Mario 64 seventeen times,' since the rise of the yen on the world scene. We were further enticed back into the private sector when we discovered that our portable DS system PRINTS MONEY."

  • sixtail's comment wins because of this line: "They are angry because they feel Nintendo is no longer sucking their taint"

    I was momentarily shocked into a higher state of consciousness after reading it. But I'm back now.

  • Sorry, but I strongly disagree with Sixtail's comment. I don't like the Wii because I have not played a single game besides Smash Bros. that's been worth coming back to. I think casuals are great, I'm glad Nintendo's tapping a new market, but I'm not stupid or whiny because I don't really like the Wii, and I enjoy more "hardcore" games. In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of people making a LOT of money off the "hardcore" games that you are so sure are going the way of the dodo.

  • @Destrudo: I'm not saying short things can't be funny, but sometimes you can't make a good point in but a paragraph.

    No-one was saying shorter points are less valid, but what on earth is wrong with having some longer, more thought out replies?

    I'd argue that for someone to criticize all long comments is no better or worse than someone who criticize all short comments. Either way, I would think them ignorant.

  • I really prefer short comments, too.

  • @Krondonian: I can see your point but if I wanted to read a bad novella I'd go to Yahtzee's website.

    Seriously though, I support the commentators that post what I assume to be epic-length tales of warrior poets and their grand battles against the Deep Crows of the Underlands.

    They're views are more mature and serious, whereas mine are lighthearted because I don't care to spend my free-time on "serious business". I'd rather look at things through my own stupid sense of humor and have fun with these discussions. That said, if your going to take yourself as seriously as most of these long comments do, you should prepare yourself for a ribbing, good natured or otherwise. It takes all kinds, people. That's why I like it here.

  • Image of NeoAkira NeoAkira at 11:07 AM on 04/07/08 *

    Holy shit I made it. I was wondering how I got that star next to my name.

    Ah well, congrats to everyone.

  • Man, Bzr_wzr is totally a stupid fascist.
    To iterate: Bzr_wzr is totally a stupid fascist.
    To reiterate: Bzr_wzr is totally a stupid fascist.

    Okay, now that I've pointed out his grammatical mistake, good work Bzr! It's like a refreshing breeze, or an ice cream cone in your pants on a hot summer day.

    And following that, it's hard for me to say this, but:
    Sixtail is a whining idiot.
    1. Casual gamers usually buy 2 games a year, not 5-10. I say this from my dealing with real human beings. Out of a group of hundreds, the only people I've ever known to buy 5+ games a year are the ultra-hardcore.
    2. Half his comment consists of insults. Sixtails is a retard. Most of it doesn't actually consist of substance. Sixtails needs to shut up. He has maybe two facts, and spends the rest of his time splicing in his insults to bulk up his comment. Sixtails is scum. It's really rather insulting that anybody would try something like that.
    3.He claims that it's our fault for not being able to adapt to the new controller. It couldn't possibly be that the Wiimote is inferior for games in some aspects, could it? I mean, what if they made an anal dildo for a controller? I imagine Sixtails wouldn't want to shove it up his ass, no matter how much Nitendo told him it was the "wave of the future." Actually, come to think of it, he'd probably lap it up. Now go retreat back to your cave, Sixtails.*
    *Note: The extreme harshness in this segment is not me trolling, but an intentional parody of Sixtail's general asshattery** disguised as a real message. Essentially, Sixtails is everything Bzr_Wzr hates.
    **Some of my insults were taken directly from his comment.

    Cruithine- Hilarious, brilliant. I bow before you. And give you a coupon for $1 off a TCBY large. Okay, so I couldn't find one, but if I could, I would totally give it to you.

    Neoakira and Obo might have been good, but I got bored of the Wii debate back in 2006.

    ElTigro's comment got me to follow him.

  • Hell I can take the criticism, my trusty Kotaku star will deflect it all...

    Gamerscore?, gamerscore?, we don't need no steenking gamerscores, we got Kotaku stars, how's that for an e penis?

  • @NeoAkira: You made it twice. You stole a star!

  • Wow, this week's comments are really intelligent and really thought out. I was about to ask if this is still Kotaku, but then I read the comments complaining about the length and lack of zingers. It's nice to know I'll never be let down.

  • Great comments.
    Sixtail is part right, but I think the biggest reason "hardcore gamers" are up in arms isn't because Nintendo's doing well without them. I think it's because games that were once suited to them are now being dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, sometimes squashing franchises that were once loved by the hardcore crowd. And the more this proves financially viable, the slimmer the pickings will be for the hardcore.

    (heheheh... want to see what happens if Disgaea turns into a one-unit action RPG like Diablo/Dungeon Siege/Shining Soul/etc? "Oh, we removed item levelling because it was too confusing.")

    Certainly you can't blame the companies for making a profit; for all the "love" they show their fans, it's about money. But casual games lowering the bar for entry may (or may not in the long run?) poison good franchises more than it leads casual gamers to turn serious, and all for an audience who may lose interest and abandon the games anyway.

    I'm still waiting to see what the extent of the fallout will be when the casuals who snatch up Wiis just so they have one stop buying games to the same or greater extent as hardcore gamers disillusioned with the flood of casual titles.

    ...but regardless, none of this has to apply to all of gaming, and if an audience wants a game, they will MAKE it. There will always be casual titles and hardcore ones, and maybe the new and hazy line between them will fade out again.


  • @Sixtail's comment: I'm glad to say that I don't know of any gamers who feel like Nintendo was "sucking their taint" and then subsequently "murdered their wife and child". I like to think people have a tad more perspective on their lives.

  • Image of DaveKap DaveKap at 12:23 PM on 04/07/08 *

    To each and every one of you who nominated tl;dr comments just to try and get your little Gawker commenting e-penis star:

    *middle finger*

    Now I have to wade through uninvited trolls, elitist fanboy asshats, AND 10 pages of essays just to read the funny, short comments. UGH!

    Banhammer Monday can't come soon enough...

    *says the man who has most definitely posted tl;dr comments before...*

  • Could Sixtail try a little harder to overgeneralize whatever point is trying to be made in that post?

    The only way anyone can argue that "Nintendo is #1 again" is by hardware sales, and even then their lead in home console sales is fairly marginal right now, if not nonexistent...

    Look at software sales. Then who's #1? Activision. Know who really owns the console market? Sony. Globally. Even the Wii isn't going to change that. And those people who buy 5-10 games a year and play the shit out of them??? NOT CASUAL GAMERS!

    Also, not Wii owners if you look at the software sales data. Wii owners are generally non-gamers buying for their children, and usually purchase less than 5 games a year. Many Wii owners only buy WiiSports, and only then because it comes with a controller. If Nintendo can sustain themselves on a consumer base like that, good for them. It doesn't take a genius to see that once the supply constraints disappear, so will the demand.

    The question then becomes, without legitimate 3rd party support, how many controller pack-in games and franchise rehashes can Nintendo sell to truly sustain their profitability?

    I understand the point that Nintendo's strategy, success, and future viability are in no way rooted in catering to the "Hardcore" market anymore, but so does just about ever other Kotaku commenter over the age of 12.

    Going completely off of the deep end in attacking this imaginary majority of people who are both "Hardcore gamers" and who also now must hate Nintendo for their current success is way overzealous, and completely unfounded. Which would be fine if the post was actually funny...

    The people who spew hate @ Nintendo as is being referenced to in Sixtails post are the diehard, old school Nintendo fans, and lets be honest: Nintendo is "abandoning" them for the sake of being a profitable mass market fad, I personally don't blame either side.

    Sure Nintendo's making money hand over fist now, but it won't last forever. The Wii install base nowhere near what the PS2 has hit (so far), and it never will be without real, interesting, quality software that supports the unique functionality of the Wii-mote.

    You want to talk about who owns the mainstream gaming audience? Talk to Sony. Ask them about how they manage to consistently outsell the Wii, PS3, & Xbox 360 with the PS2. Ask them about their 100 million install base, and the global future of the PlayStation brand. Ask them about the PSP's continued momentum despite an obselete disc format and a lack of real software support.

    The only arena where a "Nintendo's #1 again!" comment is valid is in the handheld market. That's it.

  • Haha CLEARLY can't be arsed to read any of these comments. Keep it short and snappy people.