While they are at it, can they also make more mature games?

god it would be awesome to have a good online system. but nintendo are tottally oblvious to that and just all dooody doody do. i've all but given up on trying to do online brawl.

I'm super cynical, so I'd like to propose that Nintendo should shell out some of the money they're printing for hardware and bandwidth to handle a match list.

God damn stingy bastards.

they should just have some sort of interface when u first load a game online that asks you how old you are, and go from there, of course if i was 12 i would say 18 so...

Nintendo cannot do online. Its like someone allergic to wheat making us all wheat-free bread for us all - to them its the bees knees, to us its just crappy and we want a real thing.

I desire, therefore it will never happen.

If Nintendo ever reverses this policy, you know the world has come to an end.

@Morphine16: Hit the nail on the head.

How could a separate SKU for adults work when the system has few games that adults actually want to play.

This could be resolved with a little firmware update.
Also that would allow the parents to check if they want their kids to roam free on the net looking or been looked by strangers or not.
Nintendo has the technology to make the pest known as friend codes to go away, but since is clearly enough and pointed out several times, Nintendo is more concern about the sales on the family type that on normal, grown up gamers.

Final tough: Nintendo should do a Firmware update, so you can select if you want to get ride of the Friend codes or not, leaving the choice to us the buyers, the customers, the gamers.

:shrug:

I haven't had any problems with random matches outside the first time I tried to go online. Other than that day it's been smooth sailing for me, so I guess I'm lucky. But I don't really mind the friend codes that much; I mean if I'm gonna add someone to my friend's list I will already have their phone number and such anyways so it's not really a hassle to exchange friend codes.

A lobby system and some sort of rating system, however, would have been much appreciated for Brawl.

In an age where the market is already over saturated with multiple SKUs of the PS3 and 360, the last thing I want to see is Nintendo joining in and offering multiple flavors of the Wii.

I mean, no. Just, no.

No. No. NO. NO MORE SKUS!

I truly hate it this generation 'round. Console revisions are fine, but SKUs are easily the worst thing to ever be implemented in console wars.

"Hey I bought a PS3"
"What spec? 65nm? 80GB? PS2 BC? Card readers? Chrome finish? Falcon chipset? HDMI? USB? HDD? Memory card? Rumble? Wireless? Sex?"
"Um.....I don't know..."
"O RLY"

:P

@njhardcoreguy: You must have missed the point. The separate SKU would do away with the friend codes that everyone complains about. The purpose of friend codes are to prevent someone's kid being verbally assailed by some random douchebag. Those that are fine dealing with douchebags or just don't want to deal with friend codes could get the separate SKU that would allow them to do that.

As long as people accept the half assed online by buying everything up Wii, Nintendo will have no incentive to make any changes.

Nintendo is so 'family-friendly' and protective of children that I don't see this happening. Imagine the scenario of parents not knowing anything about the Wii and accidently picks up the 'adult' version for their kid, then down the line a cyber predator sends the kid some explicit content. Nintendo would do everything in it's power to prevent any such scenarios from happening.

*applauds*

@njhardcoreguy: Who do you mean by "adults"? I imagine all the senior citizens would be hurt that Wii Sports and all these other mini-game compilations they enjoy playing on the Wii somehow revokes their status on adults. Not to mention those of us in the 25+ age range who also love their Wii. No More Heroes is the least of the reasons, but it certainly isn't a game for kids.

I would buy a new version of the Wii if it had 8x or more of the internal storage capacity, whether just a better flash drive, a mini-hd, etc. If it had the other improvement of making the online more adult-friendly, and if they made a big push in their marketing so that parents would not buy their kids the adult model (limiting the number of immature kids online like we have problems with on Xbox Live), then I would welcome that as well but it would not sell me on the system.

I Brawl just fine without talking, personally, perhaps better since I can't be distracted by chatter or lose focus while I think aloud about something ;)

@Kyle81: i bet half of them don't even have online or don't even know about it hence why games update the system.

Nintendo may have lucked out with the Wii, but sticking to obsolete strategies in the face of quality competition nearly destroyed the company. If the Wii hadn;t been slurped by every media outlet on the planet, we might be seeing it's death throes right now.

Rehashing Zelda, Smash Bros., Mario, etc. isn't going to get it done forever. And no matter what the crazed fanboys tell you, the Wii's limited hardware IS stunting the possibility of games.

I nearly got rid of my Wii for $600 because I wasn't impressed by Twilight Princess (it's a GCN game with tacked on waggle) and none of the shovelware appealed to me.

Luckily Smash Bros. is really fun. But forcing me to use GameFaqs for friends is stupid. And I don't know anybody who can get get a random game going with more than 1 person. And even then, it's ridiculously laggy.

Yeah, because we've heard SO MANY terrible stories about kids getting kidnapped and getting their brains raped out over Xbox Live and PSN.

Stop validating these idiots that are turning our kids into mental midgets by treating them like fragile retards and acting like the entire world wants to get into their pants.

And you can't have a system that wholeheartedly embraces infantilization and censorship (the videogame industry) make anything "for adults".

give up! no point in asking, the closest to decent online play from nintendo is on you ds

@Candlejack: I completely agree! Now an add-on, however, I think that would--

@Morphine16: Like NO MORE HEROES and many upcoming titles?...

@ServiceMaster: i see what you did there you said candlejack and whe....

I don't see how releasing a new Wii model would fix anything with their terrible online.

The online system is built into the games themselves. Nothing can be done about that.

The only hope for a decent online system from Nintendo is hope that they get it right for their successors to Wii and DS.

What I think they should do, but wont is release two SKU's the main difference being the software.

One SKU could be geared towards the 18+ crowd and it could have an Xbox Live type system and friends codes too.

The second one could be geared towards kids and it would be up to the parent to buy it or not and it would just have the current Friend Codes system.

Now if there was a shortage of some kind with only one SKU available (let's say the Kiddy one), you could go online and register with nintendo and a software update would be sent to your system with the other SKU's abilities available to you.

So to sum up the comments above:

- people with families are not normal or grown up.

- people who don't care about online, trash talk, or blood 'n guts games aren't adults, regardless of actual age.

And then you wonder why the media thinks gamers are immature losers?

@Lezard: @Candlejack: I'm with you.
NO MORE SKU's!!!!! Enough already!

@AverageJoes: The thing is, you act like the media created the Wii. I don't remember a single ad or Wii related story coming out until the end of November, and that was just the same holiday new Toy buzz that was the 360s a year earlier, and would have been the PS3's had it come in just a bit cheaper. We didn't start seeing random positive Wii Press until January-February 20087 at the earliest, and that was after the ongoing shortage went from annoying to ridiculous.

So you can say all you want, and possibly be correct, about Nintendo manipulating things to make the Wii succeed, but I just don't think its fair to give the media credit.

Particularly when the "hardcore" game media, who would presumably be the core of the "Wii Slurping", are consistently the hardest on the system. Its not that they aren't always fair, but they view it with a critical eye. You have to face that its consumers above and beyond the normal gamer that have generated the Buzz, no single conspiratorial force or industry is capable of the creating the level of mindshare the Wii has grabbed among them so far.

Finally, have you configured your Wii with a Static IP on the Wireless and told your router to make that IP address that DMZ/Default Host? That should help a ton with your online issues in smash, if everybody did what I just said there wouldn't be any lag not caused by crappy/shared connections/just shitty routers. I went from not being able to connect to only getting dropped one out of every 10 games or so, a rate comparable to my experience with games like Halo 3 on XBL.

@Evil Tortie's Mom: Some people with families have raised their kids to deal with living in an online world instead of keeping them in a bubble to protect them from dangers that don't exist.

@Morphine16: I want more games with mandatory sex scenes that add nothing at all to the story or gameplay. Because I'm an adult.

@DaiMacculate: 2007, no 20087. Though I do wonder if my Wii will still work in the year 20087...lacking a laser-7 output as it does ;)

@Mikew3st: Why not just make it so anyone who wants the no-holds-barred version HAS to do it that way? You buy your suitable-for-the-family Wii at the store, and then you contact Nintendo online (with secure credit card) and they send the update. Or maybe a grown-up has to phone it in for activation.

Then the stores don't have to try and figure out how many of each version to stock, Soccer Mom doesn't have to worry about random XBL-type chatter at her pwecious, and the college kids get all the online they can stand.

The original post is a horrifically dumb idea, but the online system does need some work, mainly in communication. I'm all for no chat in random games... I've never felt the need to talk to random people that I'm beating up. But setting up a game with the friend code system is really cumbersome. If you want to play with someone on your f list, there's more or less no way to communicate with them through your Wii. You've gotta either contact them through the phone or MSN or IRC or something along those lines.

What's the point of WiiConnect24 if I can't ping a friend while he's in-game asking if he wants to play a round?

Why not just block voice and other communication if the console gets locked with a parent code?

For that matter, why not give people the ability to enter their own username instead of some godawfully unrememberable unremarkable series of numbers and digits? That, at least, would make the system possible to use. It seems like arguing whether or not the system is fundamentally broken keeps getting caught up in just how superficially broken it is.

@Evil Tortie's Mom: That too. :P

@otakucode: I wasn't denying that.

I was saying there was some damn poor phrasing. I quoted literally from the comments. I'm trying to point out that the unclear statements are the kind of stuff the media seizes on. If you want to be taken seriously and maturely, you need to think about what you're writing.

Basically, I'm begging for better writing. I know what people mean, but non-gamers won't, and are liable to read it wrong.

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

It's not worth the trouble. There are only one or two games worth playing on the Wii, the rest is crapware. I just started playing No More Heroes, so that makes a total of 3 good games I've played so far, the other 2 being Galaxy and RE4.

@ServiceMaster: An add-on? YOU WHAT?! :D

@Evil Tortie's Mom: We should boycott Sony and Microsoft. Srsly. :> Too bad the Wii has about 5 games I'd like to play :\

@Roto13: This is the videogame industry. It is ruled by censors. You will not get sex scenes of level of explicitness.

Your DVD player will play unrated and NC-17 rated discs. Your videogame console will not play unrated or AO rated content. Movie fans have a spine when it comes to telling censors to piss off, gamers don't.

@xgenius:

Zack and Wiki, Trauma Center, Super Paper Mario, SSBB?

No no you're right, since you don't like those game they must be crapware. Troll on friend.

@seishino: Usernames would rock. Then you could set it so the kiddies would have parental controls but Mom & Dad could still whatever, as opposed to the whole console being allowed access or not.

Also, who's liable to remember random numbers more easily, the kids or the adults? :P

However, we know that people are idiots and don't use parental controls properly (see: the V-chip, which has been in TV sets forever and yet no one seems to notice). So I think opting-in to strangers, violence, bewbs, and swearing is probably a better idea than having people know how to opt-out.

But Nintendo probably isn't interested, since they're printing money as it is, with no hassle for them.

@Candlejack: Well, if we all boycotted Sony and Microsoft, the Wii would get all the developers and thus all the games. Eventually.

But everyone would die from withdrawal.

Here here.

Is there really that big of a molestation problem over online games that Nintendo feels the need to step up as the guardian of all our anuses?

@SilentPredator: I didn't miss the point. If they're going to create a separate SKU without friend codes, they're doing it under the assumption that adults actually want to play Wii. That means that they need to make and market games for adults too. You can't go after a market without providing them with a reason to buy a product. Simple sales and marketing.

You must have missed the title of the post.

@DaiMacculate: I love how all the Brawl fanboys are "fine" with the exclusion of voice chat. They continuously make up reasons (for you, it's because you may get distracted). The truth is that you'd LOVE to have voice chat for Brawl... just admit it. You know if it came packed with a headset you'd think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

@njhardcoreguy: Funny, I'm the last thing from a "Brawl Fanboy". I like the game, but I never played the N64 version and I rarely played Melee, because I never had anybody to play with previously. I do enjoy this new game, though probably not on the level of some of the more diehard fans ;)

I have, however, been playing games online since Warcraft 2, and I have to say I prefer text chat to voice. Voice works great in team FPS games, and as I said to someone in a post a month or so ago, if they ever put out a Metroid Prime Hunters game for Wii that has team modes and no voice chat that would be more of a problem than not having it in a fighting game.

I have a 360, which did come packed with a headset, and I rarely use it unless I'm playing Halo 3 with a real-life friend I actually want to talk to, separate from the game. Most Halo 3 players either say stupid shit on the Mic or nothing at all. So I don't miss it in Brawl. If you find voice chat so essential to you personally, there are plenty of games for that, nobody forcing you to own/play a Wii ;)

@Roto13: Sounds good to me, also add some blood every now and then and you got yourself a good title