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I think the rule is that there's /never/ enough space.

I suppose this is another reason it's not going to come to 360...

But seriously, what the hell have they put on this disc?

This is where I ask, I wonder what he thinks of the dvd's used on the 360?

What's all in that game?! Does Snake himself come out of the TV, point a gun at your crotch and make you piss yourself?

Wow, that's pretty surprising. I can't imagine how the next batch of MGS4 for the 360 rumors (don't worry, they're coming) are going to try to explain that.

THE DISC HAS REACHED EPIC PORPORTIONS!!!!!!

Next up: Reality isn't in high enough resolution.

I'm calling it now.

5,000 hours worth of Codec conversation.

INC Otakon describing the historical roots of his lunch!

looks like everyone is off because they thought the last post to be last of the night.

no room on a bd, didn't think i would here that one for a long time

Kojima has balls to say that to blueray . And a tru statment made @Aprocalypse

Thats crazy to think that MGS4 alone couldnt fit onto one Blu-ray. Makes you think what would have happened if they tried to fit MGO onto the disc as well.

Either the game is huge, or they are not really putting effort towards compression.

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@Evdor:

"I hear it's amazing when the purple stuffed worm from flap jaw space, with the tuning fork, does a raw blink on harey carey rock! I need scissors. 61!"

@ Ahsayuni: fail!

Impossible! That must mean Konami has tons of stuff if it can't cram it into one disk. Anyway, they could always do like 2 Blu-ray disks for MGS4. Just imagine the space needed if they wanted to port it over to the Xbox. That must be like 8 or more dual layered DVDs. Can any one say "Big Mo-Fo Xbox case"?

No offense meant but what's the point of discussing this topic over and over again? It's like beating a dead horse...

old news, but thanks for posting

@dalejrfanfreak:

Awesome.

I love Kojima.

Then put it on multiple discs. The quality of the game should be first and foremost and if his vision takes more then the Godly 50 gigs so be it. Who really cares if you have to switch discs half way through? Hell, if it was ported to the Xbox 360 you wouldn't hear me complaining about switching it five or six times. As long as the game comes out as Kojima envisioned it, what else really matters?

I'm looking forward to the Metal Gear Online Beta, Spril 21st! Woohoo!

Link:
[www.psu.com]

Wow... The Blu-Ray Disc is probably the largest optical media thats available to the public right now and there isn't enough space? Man... If you need space, just add another DVD and have it install so not everything has to be run off the Blu-Ray. Compression then installation would kind of solve where to store some data... on the harddrive. Like maybe things that are always present will be installed. Like Snakes model and his random grunts as well as the gun sounds to commonly used weapons.

C'mon, I know there might be a huge epic 50GB+ game in the works, but you can make it fit and still be great somehow.

Or you can wait for a quadruple layer Blu-Ray to be made someday... just kidding.

Doesn't look like this will fit on an Xbox 360 DVD then. Sorry fanboys!

Sad though, when other companies can compress huuge games onto DVDs for the 360 and Kojima can't get it on a 25-50GB Blu-Ray!

Don't they have 100gb Blu-ray disc or are they still in development? Surely Sony can work around the edges with them on this cashcow.

finally some proof to my argument that only including dvds in the 360 is last gen tech in a next gen box.

If there is that much data then i'm concerned for the load times. I think they may be ungodly. Unless they are hidden behind 30 minutes of codec conversations. Which is equally annoying.

I kinda wonder how many DVD discs it would be.

In seriousness, wth is on that disc? I can understand them taking up the whole disc if they didnt bother with compression, and which is probably the biggest likelihood. Nevertheless, it sounds like we are getting our money's worth and that indeed Blu-ray was a necessary move.

@nousemercenary: Either the game is huge, or they are not really putting effort towards compression.

What effort is required? There are lots of readily available free and commercial compression algorithms they could use. I'd be very surprised if they're not using them already.

50 gigabytes?! Is what Kojima is saying?! Seriously wtf?! Are there 20 hrs of audio in this game?! I mean seriously, even WoW isn't 50 gigs, and that's the biggest PC game I've ever seen.. I honestly think that these people are simply being too lazy with compression..

I wonder if this is a problem with the PS3 or with Blu-Ray. I know it's large, but he's off his rocker and started ramming his head into the wall until he forgot how to design, or there's a huge problem with the PS3... To be honest, I think it's Kojima this time. :(

There is supposedly a 250 GB Blu-ray disc in the works. Like a prototype or something...

Here is a link about the 250GB Blu-ray:
[www.blurayfreak.com]

I would like to know how much data needs to be installed on the PS3 for MGS4.

@ph15h: Or you can wait for a quadruple layer Blu-Ray to be made someday... just kidding.

TDK have already made discs for it, and supposedly all the PS3 needs is a firmware update to use them. IMO, they should tell Sony to get an update out that makes it possible.

I'm pretty sure he's just trying to say that there's never enough space, when you get right down to it. If they wanted to release an entire completely uncompressed game, it would take like 10 blu-rays. Not kidding guys. Even "uncompressed audio" is compressed. If it was really uncompressed...well it would be pretty friggin' large. And let's not even talk about video. Is there even such a thing as uncompressed video? And if so, how many super-computers does it take to store 1 episode of Seinfeld?

What the hell takes up all 50 gigs of space?

But then again... the Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl Blu-ray set is also 2-discs...

I have a feeling it is all due to not optimizing things they could. It's probably all uncompressed and bloated. If it really is that big, then they probably would've 2-parted us for the money. Like MGS4: Episode 1 and Episode 2 or something. Or I'm just talking out of my ass because I never really liked the series..........

@Fareo: I'd rather have last-gen's tech with awesome games instead of the hundreds of wasted Blu-rays that get released on dat ps-triple.

@Doshu:
True...It's just crazy to think they've managed to fill an entire Blu-ray disc already, and with compression.

It must be all the HD cinematics or something.

@Fareo: explain to me how MS could have put an HDDVD drive in a system over a year before HDDVD was fully released... Thanks.

I find this a little odd that he couldn't fit the game onto a single disk. They must be using some really bad compression techniques or the game is filled with too much fmv for it to fit.

What bothers me the most about all this dick waving is that PC gaming is still content with DVD and for quite awhile looks like they won't be touching bluray, so is PC gaming going to get left in the dust, or are developers just full of it and using the space too sparringly?

PS3 is barely mid-way through it's life cycle and they're talking about space issues....

I'm sure they'll find new compression techniques, eventhough no-one is really a stranger to multi-disc MGS games (or FF for that matter), it does make you think what will happen when PS3 capabilities are pushed further over time.

I think that Sony fans will be rest assured that an XBox360 version of MGS4 would most probably have to be stripped down to meet even multi-disc requirements.

But I think it would be more revealing if/when someone reveals the capacity of the GTAIV disks.

@Katorok: 50 gigabytes?! Is what Kojima is saying?! Seriously wtf?! Are there 20 hrs of audio in this game?!

I think I read somewhere that all the cut scenes from all the previous games are included the disc as well (so those interested can get the whole back-story). I'm guessing that'd be more than 20 hours of video.

that the weird thing about it. Everybody talks about uncompressed this and that but he is trying to compress it the much he can for the ps3 version. I mean wow.

Hope FFXIII breaks the bars as well which looks like it as the game is taking a long time.

I can't wait until this is the norm with PC games.

Why yes, I'd LOVE to waste 5-6 hours installing this game. Nope, nothing better to do.

@Scazza: I've never saw a MGS game use FMV.

@Scazza: Maybe they shouldn't have pushed the 360 out a year before it was ready to be released? Seriously I'm just pissed at MS for alot of reasons right now. I'm starting to wish they would just leave video games alone.

Well, I can easily see this being used for marketing purposes.. Think how epic it seems to not be able fit a game on a Blu-Ray disc.. And it seems to work, look at how many posts this is topic is getting, at 2:25 EST, great way to spread around hype if you ask me...

@dalejrfanfreak: LOL Best part of MGS2 evar

I think they're shit talking to hype the game. Seriously tho, crysis has higher res textures and plenty of audio conversation and it could easily fit on a blueray. It's kinda comparing apples to oranges I know, but 25 gigs is a lot of space to fill. Why don't they dual layer the friggin thing. Maybe the ps3 can't read double layer bluerays, or maybe they are atrociously expensive to produce. I'm a Sony fanboy and love mgs to boot, but this is kinda hard to swallow.

it has to be all pre-rendered cinematics that take up that much space. in which case...they fail at game design.

if not...they still fail.

@dalejrfanfreak: I think he already said something about it and refuses to work on the 360

can't wait for this game!!!

You gotta be f*&^ing kidding me!

We're talking 50 GB if it's dual-layer Blu Ray. Holy... Is this game really that massive?

There's been so much hype about the opening credits alone - how much space is that taking up? Is it really worth it?

I say, sell the game on two Blu Rays if you have to. Jack up the price to cover manufacturing costs. I'll buy it anyway. I think I speak for pretty much everyone.

@Katorok: beat me to it! Ill eat your children!

@Meldy: Tons of animation.

@deathsyth8888: not quite, if the american release of lost odyssey was any indication, those 8 discs would all be shoved into a case meant for one disc >__< then again, this is kojima we're talkin bout so maybe it could actually come in a case that can hold all of that

and people say the world is ready for fully downloadable games . . .

not a chance at this rate.

It would be interesting to find that if you beat the game you could you know play as another character, with a completely different story line.
Ive never played a MGS4 and this is just a crackpot theory so yeah i have no idea what im talkin about.

I'm I remember something being said along the lines of "We chose blu-ray so that developers never have to worry about storage space again...." when the PS3 launched.

Yeah, what a joke.
Honestly are they putting everything on there uncompressed or something?

@Katorok: It's obvious u don't understand programming. You honestly think someone as experienced as Kojima and his team is gonna get out thought on compression by some random person on the internet? (no offense but they obviously have way more experience than 99% of us can claim in programming, including me.) So they've OBVIOUSLY thought about compression. People act like the team is dumb shit. Anyways, WoW is a completely different type of game first of all. Second of all, WoW graphics are nothing, NOTHING compared to MGS4, texture, models, polygon count etc. Also, the sound on MGS4 is 10x, maybe more, better than WoW.

Well, when you have to put the same data on three different areas of the disc (ala Resistance:FoM) just to make up for slow BD drive read speeds, the disc WILL get full awfully fast.

@Meldy: I agree no 360 version unless MS shows them what compression is really about. But my guess is that they must of put a "TON" of HD-CG videos for cut scenes and maybe useing HD Audio which both use HUGE amounts of space. Look at the last Harry Potter movie that came out on BR and HDDVD it was so huge that it fit on two HDDVDs and filled the BR disk completely.

Didn't this game use a dual layer Blu Ray disc? 50 GB isn't enough? I think he's just bragging now...

They're probably using this as an excuse to double dip later on. They've done it with every other MGS title, why not this one?