I do you think you mean Chocolate Rain

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If PC becomes affordable i will be there.

more games like the orange box that can run on my 3 year old laptop and also look great on high end computers and less games like crysis.

Thing is, PC has alot of shitty problems most of us don't want to deal with, while a console is just pop in something and go.

Plus, the PC's current small array of excelent games doesn't justify it.

rofl. we'll see.

@[KU]Shindokie: Just Bought A PSP:

No, he meant Chocolate Rein.

What the shit is up with Cliffy changing his mind like that? Mark must've bitch slapped him.

@dead_red_eyes:
SLAP!

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@[KU]Shindokie: Just Bought A PSP: Oh no you did-in't!

Although Mark Rein mentions reasonably priced PC's, he adverts to mentioning reasonably priced laptops? Why is that? Oh right... reasonably priced laptops can't the job done worth for shit, flash based games etc. aside.

Cliffy got reminded who signs his cheques.

@Ashurahori:

"Thing is, PC has alot of shitty problems most of us don't want to deal with, while a console is just pop in something and go."

Agreed. After years of building PC after PC ... I've just had enough of the troubleshooting & optimizing that it takes to run a game. It took me hours to get TES:Oblivion optimized, and I've had to do it with other games as well. I can't keep spending $1000 every couple of years on upgrades, and then laying down more cash for "the next big thing". Like the whole step from APG to PCI-Express. And now, it's all about having 2 video cards (same model) running together. Thankfully, people are writing programs/games with multi-core processors in mind ... but it wasn't like that a while ago. I just don't have the money for PC gaming anymore, not when there's only 1-3 games that come out a year that are worth paying $$$$$ for.

@dead_red_eyes:

Watch CliffyB say he was drunk when he made that comment. Now that he's sober, he wants to clarify he meant it's not dead and can be saved.

I say staying optimistic is better than saying it is dead and giving up. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that games will become cheaper or easier to get, the gaming alliance [seems to be] is in the interest of the alliance, not their paying [and non-paying?] customers.
Who knows what they'll do to attempt to restore it in their eyes.

@[KU]Shindokie: Just Bought A PSP:

Someone's a bit YouTube happy.

You can build a close to top of the line PC for under the cost of a PS3, and it will last you just as long. "PC Gaming is too expensive" is just an excuse.

@Trowble (XBL/PSN):

Agreed. You can't play Epics new games on a freaking dedicated graphics card. No way in hell.

@Saxboy: That's not true and you know it.

@Saxboy:

What kind of crack are you smoking? "Close to top of the line" my ass.

PR-Guy came and told Cliffy that it's not politic to dis hiz PC homies. Da Cliffster used this occasion in an attempt to appease those loyal fans (buyers) whom he offended with his previous remarks.

@dead_red_eyes: I usually can't put what i want to say into words so i come up with youtube... and it works.

@[KU]Shindokie: Just Bought A PSP: Hate. Song.

while he's at it can't he put his words into action and make a few maps for ut3... for the 100 ppl that are playing it right now.. anyway..

@Saxboy: Yeah right; I paid more for my 8800GTX alone than I did my PS3 or 360.

I would upgrade my PC but I feel like it will be outdated so fast. I was thinking of building a Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz machine. Oh well, back to playing PS3.

@Heyyou27:

Exactly. Hell, the new Core 2 Duo line costs as much as a damn PS3 or Xbox 360. He's trolling obviously.

@Saxboy: the problem is when you pay the same for 1 or 2 years of gaming ( PC ) ... consoles have more game time ( 5-10 years )
that's why its expensive, i don't want to keep changin my pc every year....as i do

@Saxboy: Yea "close to top of the line PC," maybe... that first month you buy it before something new comes out. And the lifespan of the PC will last as long as the PS3, if not longer, but the games won't be able to keep up. It's hard enough already for them to keep up with the expensive PC gaming rigs.

See here is the problem with you console trolls, thing is we dont BUY a new computer every time we upgrade. In fact, honestly the only two things you should have to worry about when upgrading is graphics card and ram. Just invest in a good CPU and you should be fine. Why the hell do I have to replace the Power Supply? Why do I have to replace the mobo? Why do I have to replace my case? If you're smart and you know what you're doing you won't run into having to pay much for pc gaming, but because you want to stay simple minded and have a communist spoon fed gaming machine handed over to you that breaks down, then by all means go ahead, but PC gaming exists for a reason whether you like it or not.

@Trowble (XBL/PSN): I've never really bought that.. I update my PC once every two or three years, and I can still play big games when I want to.. they just don't look as good or run as smooth.. I'll always love PC gaming, I just want them to continue throwing us all the games! >:D

1. Saxboy: you CANNOT buy a top-of-the-line computer for $700. You can, however, build yourself a *passable* computer for that much.

2. You do not need to upgrade your computer every few months. More like every couple of years; longer if you aren't overly concerned with having all the graphical bells-and-whistles turned on.

3. My experience getting TES: Oblivion running on my PC: Install game, install patch (if any), click play. Adjust ingame graphic settings. Cue His Majesty Jean-Luc Picard. Not hard. Not long. Not a problem.

With the power of consoles like 360 and PS3, I think they should just give up on the whole eye-bleeding PC game concept and just focus on consoles. Games Like BF: Heroes should replace games like Crysis on PCs. Why? Because it costs too much and is not as profitable. So what happens then is that they try to recoup the losses by throwing shovelware on consoles and hoping they sell. Plus PC gaming also hurts the industry with that torrent shit. Let me know when they put a 25-50 GB BD game on torrent, or when they bypass Microsoft's security on the 360. If anything, publishers should just try to port console games on PCs, that way they will justify the billion dollar video cards. But the way it's done right now, with devs like Epic or Crytek struggling on PCs and wasting ressources, it's more of a problem than anything. I think...

@Covert_Knight: Communist spoon? Who's simple-minded here you moron? The ones that have a gaming machine that will last 5-10 years or the ones that have to "upgrade" shit every 2 years? Dude, when someone's right and you don't have a counter-argument, you just shut the fuck up or you look like an idiot. It's that simple.

@Covert_Knight:

"Why the hell do I have to replace the Power Supply?"

Because the new video card you bought requires more wattage than your power supply can give.

"Why do I have to replace the mobo?"

Because it crapped out on you? Or you just bought a new processor that won't fit into your old one?

"Why do I have to replace my case?"

Because the new motherboard you just bought won't fit in your new case. The pins don't match up correctly.

And I see no console trolls on here. If anything, your PC fanboy-ism and hate towards console owners is more trollish than any other comment on here. I love PCs, and I've been building them since 1995. But I'm not rich, and have a family to support ... so I can't upgrade often. And when I need to, I have to spend a lot more than I expected. Like buying a new processor, which requires me to buy another motherboard because it won't fit in my old one ... then the new motherboard can't fit in my old case because the pins don't match up. Or let's say I want to buy a new video card, but I have to buy a new power supply because my current one doesn't have enough watts. It's a never ending upgrade game, and it takes it's toll in the long run.

@slomo788:

Thumbs up!!!

I try to future proof my computer as best I can, so far I've done really well, being able to keep my computers for 3-4 years with minor upgrades.

fwiw, I just bought a PC for a 1000 dollars. I wish I had gotten a mac.

/venting.

@dead_red_eyes: You seriously had to buy a new case for a motherboard because the 'pins' didnt line up? thats crazy. i could understand haveing to get a new case becuase your old one was some low profile case and to small for your motherboard, but needing a new one because the foot holes dont match up is new to me!

motherboards nowerdays are normaly built to the atx standard, wich dictates were holes are alowed to go for attaching the board to the case. you probably had some cheap case that didnt conform to the standard properly. thats the kind of stuff the pc alience is trying to stop. cheap hardware that dosnt cut it for gameing.

the problem is consoles are becoming more like pc's
so all the "problems" pc's have, consoles are having them too.
buying hard disks, buying wifi thingys, having to install games, having games crashing, having games crashing a lot, having to patch games, having to return your console because it overheated, disks that get scratched, 12 digit long friend codes. Also you get crappy core packs, some without backwards compatibility... and on top of that, you have to play call of duty 4 with a controller.
console gamers are getting screwed badly and they take it gladly.
Wee, it sure is trouble-free console gaming around here.

I'm really not too interested in much coming out of Epic recently.

UT3 is broken abandonware and you will get banned for asking about a patch or anticheat at their forums. They even started banning members with zero posts because they posted their complaints at another website instead.

Respect -1 to Epic

The PC is still the best gaming platform a person could buy, but it isn't because of anything that has come out in the last year or needs an expensive machine to play.

@Leviticus: Why? I'm totally serious. Is it because that's what you prefer, or is it something elese.

As for the story at hand, I still fail to see how Mr. B's statement solidifies the return of PC gaming. In fact, both of the seem to be speaking with the same kind of confidence that bankers have about the housing market. I don't care what they say, I'm not buying it.

You know, it wouldn't hurt to show some more commitment to your games that you release, Epic. UT3 has needed a patch since December 10th, 2007 for the PS3 release, and we've seen hardly anything from you guys. Seriously, throw us a frickin' bone already.

@Waka in Japan: - "console gamers are getting screwed badly and they take it gladly."

I'm not taking it gladly. I'm quite pissed about it actually. The fact that almost every console game (for the PS3 & Xbox 360) needs a patch these days is just ridiculous.

And I think the same thing about the PC too. It's fucked up how almost every developer is rushing their product out way too fast these days. Take Splinter Cell: Double Agent (PC) for example. That game was riddled with so many bugs when it came out ... it was like you were playing an alpha build of the game. It's like they didn't even playtest the damn thing.

First off, it you want a "top-of-the-line" gaming PC, you are starting at around $2500 (if you build it yourself), closer to $4000 or more if you buy from Dell. To put that in comparison, we are talking about 10x the price of consoles (which prices range from $250-$400). Even a low-end gaming PC is going to cost you $1200 or more.

There are also things you can do on a PC that cannot be matched by consoles. For example, running in above-HD resolutions, a variety of peripherals (mouse, keyboards, flight-sticks, etc.), crazy triple monitor setups in a fake nascar chassis, stereo 3d gaming/vr equipment, better online community (mmos, etc.), and a large supply of free (legal) content like flash games, free-to-play mmos, and other "browser-based" entertainment which is beginning to move into the 3d realm.

However, everyone is acting like the only thing you can do on a PC is play games. There is obviously way more stuff you can do, like actually make games. You can't do that on a console. If some company wants to build a console that can run photoshop, flash, 3d studio max, visual studio and other DCC programs at full speeds, then I'm game. I know the PS3 has linux, but from my understanding you don't have low-level access to the hardware like you do with a real PC. If they could provide this machine for around $500, well, it would kill the PC market. Microsoft and Nintendo aren't going to do it, but maybe Sony will with the PS4. Could be very cool.

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Must be a pretty low wagon.

@slomo788: You are talking out of your ass. Just because you have your nose sticking in some consoles ass, we should give up the

"whole eye-bleeding PC game concept and just focus on consoles"

I remember you. I would wish that the devs would leave the PS3 if I didn't have one. You and Papa bear have evolved from people I listned to into simply a thumping drum beat.

Your an idiot now that I have had a year to think about it. Hug you PS3 now. I love mine, but I don't want to fornicate with it.