and people say you don't need a new gen format for games

no disc space on Blu-ray?

Don't think its really a problem. For those who totally understand the "feeling" of the Japenese version, they'd have to speak language anyway.

NoOOOOOoOOoOOoO

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Actually, I grew up with the David Hayter voice work and don't mind a bit. But yeah, some folks are going to get dramatic.

What does it matter, anyway? It's gonna be universally delivered to us all at the same time.

Unless the people who prefer the japanese voices on characters who are supposed to speak english get pissed off because of this.

No big deal to me.

@ndsOtaku:

Nope, because ya know, the game actually took up that space ;-)

@DiscipleofJamzy:
well if they are really hardcore they can import. Depending on what the new ps3 looks like I might be importing the MGS4 ps3 bundle from Japan. But the voicework in the English version is brilliant, and more real to the story

I reserved 2 copies of this game, one at my house near my college and one near my parents house, so whichever I am closest to when it comes out, I will be set.

Does anyone prefer the japanese voice acting over the english ones? The english voice acting has always been superb since the original Metal Gear Solid and its also pretty amazing that they have the same voice cast from all the previous entries in MGS4. I find it odd anyone would prefer otherwise unless there native language is japanese.

Hey Ashcraft why not ask Kojima studios if they could just release the other languages later as downloadable content?

There's not enough blue rays dammit! add more

@ndsOtaku: Kojima said before that Blu Ray is not enough....

@ndsOtaku: I'm with you... No more room on Blu-ray? How much crap did they stuff in the disc? Damn... now I can't wait to get this game...

Im sorry, but listening to MGS in japanese is like listening to a radioshow if all the people have the same name. All male japanese characters sound exactly the same, deep and attacking voices.

"Short, to the point and unfortunate. Ya can't have everything, kids! Sorry."

got nothing promissed by BD...well related to "play wordwilde, region free blabla"

This is kind of ironic since Sonydefensefarce I mean force said that it will not come to 360 due to the lack of space on the discs.

oh boy...this is gonna open flood gates of unnecessary fanboy arguments.

will it be on 25GB or 50GB dual layer BD?

@omegasc:
50 gig

They can try multi discs if there is not enough room on the blue ray. Look at Lost Odyssey, they even used paper envelopes to hold the extra discs ^^

@JustJake:

How is it ironic? Makes sense to me.

@SnakeCL: If with "game" you mean "cut scenes", then probably yes. ;)

I'm still laughing about the whole "it won't fit on the disk" thing :D

So, let's see. Next year Konami will release MGS4 International Edition in Japan.

I don't know why an optional english sub track is not added.

It would expand the longevity of the game by 200%

After you finished your english copy you could get the the japanese version for an new exotic experience of the game.

If your japanese you could learn a bit english from it, and vice versa

@SnakeCL: It is ironic because they were bragging that 360 needs extra discs for bigger games. Then they say that MGS4 will not have subtitles in English or have Japanese voice tracks because of space on the blu-ray.

@FranUnFine:
Thats part of the charm of metal gear. It really immerses you in the story. It's brilliant

@JustJake:
Well think of how many dvd's it would take if it was ported to 360? Which probably wont happen now because Sony made the smartest move they could and bundled with with the ps3

@JustJake:

But, that still means that MGS4 is a bigger game than anything currently on 360, right?

If anything, it vindicates the usage of a HD storage medium in a console.

just do a mandatory 5-10 GB install and it all should be good.

like capcom.

or multiple discs.

I thought it was generally accepted that the english voices were preferred, even among the Japanese.

@SnakeCL: You should stop buying into all that. Subtitles won't fit on the disc? Yeah, right. The game fills the whole disc without using FMV? Then they're sure not using efficient audio or texture encoding.

@Tale:
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@FranUnFine: lol, it's funny because it's true. I'm sure this will be a great game for fans of the series and this issue will only matter to the folks that prefer JP voice acting (anime freaks).

comment lag again?!?!?

@Tale: You really don't have a clue do you...

@SolidOni_ds:
Apparently you don't since I never had these issues on DVD games.

It seems not even metal gear is immune to the feature removing powers of bluray.

@eastx:

I'm curious, how much space does typical uncompressed audio use on a minute by minute basis?

Because last I checked, there's a plethora of 25GB Blu Ray movies with 6+ hours of audio tracks, and that isn't the majority of the data on the disc...

"due to a lack of apparent disc space"

This must mean they are pressing the game on 25GB discs. There's just no way they filled a 50GB disc to the point where they don't have room for an alternate voice track...

Ryan Payton promised us the best voice over in the mgs series yet. I'm hopeing for goku's voice as one of the main villians.

Uh. Aren't they shipping this on a Blu-Ray disc?

Are they really that lazy to NOT IMPLEMENT A BIT OF COMPRESSION on the disc?!

@SnakeCL: there's no real answer to that depends on the format quality and the sound itself.

@eastx: That or if you believe what the ex-harmonix employee posted in his blog a few months back, you have to put a texture(or other in-game asset), that on a regular dvd on another platform would only need to be on the disc once, several times on a blu-ray disc for the PS3 to be able to find it without loading forever. I could see if that's the case why you'd fill up a Blu-ray. His claim was that the PS3 needed it's games to be on Blu-ray just to keep up with other consoles (I'm just gonna say PC here to stop this from becoming a fanboy PS3 vs 360 argument(not that it will help)) and have the game look equivalent. Just a thought, but I'd guess that'd be why they'd fill a whole disc.

@Marasai:

Probably because DVD games weren't on the same scale...

Reminds me, weren't you the one that said in the Phil Harrison thread, "Good riddance to bad rubbish"? I don't think any degree of reasoning is going to change your mind judging by your recent responses.

It's okay, Hayter is THE voice for Snake anyway. The MGS series has been known for fantastic voiceovers.

@fearing: Really?! I've never hear that. I think that would be a great read if you had a link. hmm? link? please?

Nobody said that there wasn't enough room for subtitles, they probably just don't want Americans buying the Japanese versions and stick to their own market.
Secondly an audio track in HD for a movie takes up most of the space already. Now imagine 10 hours+ (if you're badass) of HD audio layered among voice tracks, sfx, secret extra games, timed in game tracks, music tracks.... etc etc....
Do yall not remember that ps3 can play in HD? or is the argument that this game is not HD?

I really doubt that they ran out of space on a 50GB space. I won't believe it until I see it. I really think they did this to protect their respective markets so that they can sell the Japanese versions at the regular high Japanese price. Damn politics.

@theprof00: speaking of HD are PS3 games running in 1080p yet or is 720p still the standard? Just curious.

@Tale:

To some degree, I did too. With the release of International versions of this game, FF games, and GOD knows what else, it would seem there is a market for this sort of stuff, but I guess we were wrong to think so...