I came really close to trying this out, until I learned that you can't really pilot your spacecraft around.

Thats cool, and I played EvE myself for like 2 years on and off. It is a great game, but I would never reccomend anyone to start playing this as a new guy today due to their skill system, and no I'm not talking shit, I started pirating with 1mill SP.

But unless you ebay a char or buy it with ebayed ISK on their forums, don't start playing this game guys. Way to late to get in the game unless you got a char of atleast 15+mill SP specialised. Trust me!

There was always something about EVE that made me go: "You know what, I think I'll just skip that."

Eve does looks interesting. However, I'm rather reluctant to try out a game with a bad history of developer cheating and guild favoritism. Plus, what with my wow account, I think this would drain what little life I have left.

This game will make you cry. You can literally lose everything, INCLUDING your skills which can only be gained over time, with 1 death.

Also, yeah. This game is impossible to get into as a new player, because the same people have been playing since Beta. Also, BoB pretty much runs the show nowadays from what I hear, so no epic rise to stardom, except as a footnote when BoB crushes you.

I tried to play this game spent a couple hours and I got bored shitless watching my ship fly itself. The game does a terrible job of explaining things, I went through all the tutorials and I had so many problems.

"Where is the excavating tool that I got as a prize for the quest I just did?" Takes me half an hour to realize that they put it in the storage room of the previous station where I first got the mission. "So...why can't I equip it now?" Takes me another half an hour to realize I need to go to the shop and buy the electronics skill and train it which is gonna take a couple hours (Trains when the game's closed too).

In the end I just said fuck this, this game's too complicated for newbies.

Heh, no thanks. If I wanted to lose money that bad, I'd throw it off a bridge.

@SonOfBhaal: You don't loose everything with one death unless you choose to not pay a small, very small amount to clone yourself, there should be no risk for loosing skills, and if you are stupid enough to forget cloning yourself after previous death you loose 1 level of one of your skills randomly.

Also BoB ain't running the show anymore, they are loosing pretty bad now against RA with 6-7 other alliances that are teamed up against them.

Also, you can still rise to fame, I managed to get involved in small scale and was one of the very few selected people that knew about the first titan constructed by ASCN, and m0o :) So it ain't too late, just too late in terms of SP unless you ebay an account or the ISk to purchase a good character.

Besides, if BoB would stomp you if you are a good player they would pick you up afterwards :) They assimilated many enemies. I joined maybe 2-3 corps that killed my previous corp for being a good player.

Anyway, the game is late to jump in now, a year or 2 ago I say sure, but now no. I wait for EvE Online 2 or a new game like EvE or SWG, maybe conan maybe something else.

@Dudemeister: I agree, tuturial/begining sux. What I did was watch videos etc of how the game is when you get into it, what to expect as well as reading about it and talking with friends. Those kept me excited enough to last past the tuturial and 1mill sp when I started pirating.

Erm, BoB has been ganged up on by the rest of eve (Mainly by the goons/russians) and has retreated back into delve. The war makes any area around BoB or Redswarm space super dangerous but to say that new players cant fit into the world is nonsense.

A character can be set up with a battleship within a month, or a more specialised but less durable ship. (Tackling, intercepting, mining)

Remember, the big player corps can exert little influence into empire space beyond suicide piracy.

You cannot lose all your skills to one death, so long as you have an up to date clone you will lose nothing, and even if you dont you wont lose much.

New players can get along happily in empire (Empire is the secure noobie space where initiating unauthorised PvP gets you ganked by AI ships in seconds.) And even in 0.0 (Anything goes, alliance corp war areas) Rookie players can make a difference to their corp by fitting a tackler setup. (tackling - the art of jamming enemy ship warp drives and main engines)

Sure, a new player isnt going to jump in and rule the world, and will be at a disadvantage in combat, but thats not a problem.

Any new players, i suggest looking up and contacting Eve University, they are a player corp specifically for training new players. the game is LUDICROUSLY complex and time consuming and the training helps.

@ShineDog: EvE university is funny lol shot a few of their students once for fun:P

As for taking a month, no sorry, no one needs want a BS pilot of 1 month in a gang, they are useless with that little SP, this worked 2 years ago not today. A fleet usually hit the cap of the number they can fly with before even getting close to 1month people. And tackler lol interceptors suck these days unless loaded with implants costing more then you can make in several months, mining without a lot of skills useless these days, it ain't like back in the day. Tackling with anything fails unless mucho SP dropping spheres interdictors etc.

Everyone I know got 20+mill SP and most run around in tech 2 BC and better. Again, ebay is your only shot at starting this game again, if anyone tells you different they are lying.

After having played Jumpgate, playing a space MMo that flies itself really isn't that interesting.

The tutorial used to be awful, but it was revamped a little while ago and while its not perfect its not awful either.

@ShineDog:

I'm sorry thats simply not true. I only have 3 million SP and I'm already a valuable member of my anti-pirate corp. Our lead tackler while yes having 12 million SP does not have any implants, nor do any of the other member of our 8 man patrols. And no in over 20 battles we have not lost once, and we repeatedly face gangs of 5+ people in command ships and force recons.

You can be a valuable member of any new or low member corporation, and as anyone on the Eve Forums will tell you skills and brains beats millions of SP any day.

'Roid farmers everywhere trust fast effective Preparation EVE.

Actually, I tried it last month and found only 7 unique missions to do out of the first 40. And the breathtaking graphics got old real fast. Like paying to spend eternity at a Hubble telescope slide show. No thanks. Zzzzzzzzz...

In EVE no one can hear you scream... of boredom!!

@godot: I'm sorry but EvE is not for PVE, if you played the game hoping for anything but PVP you would sure hate it.

sorry guv, but the swarm of cheap ships with crap skills worked and continues to work for goons. and sure, a 1 month BS will get whomped in PvP, but the very fact its there means it is contributing, even if it just soaks some hits for the fleet. Also. Tackling is not useless. Newbie tacklers win the fucking day, particularly fun in small gang stuff.

Yeah, you will get your ass kicked in 0.0, but thats really not a problem since you can either mess around in empire or find a corp who will take care of you.

Just because some corps restrict to people with 20 mill SP doesnt mean they all do, and you CAN STILL CONTRIBUTE as a rookie. You cant hold your own, but you can supplement and support your buds in the big ships.

Oops I quoted the wrong guy, I also support what Shinedog says.

Empire is where you should stay if your solo or in a corp low sec is where you could go if you're in a good corp, but stay away from 0.0! And by good corp I mean good corp for a newb.

@Irenicus-the one and only: I entirely agree that EVE is not for PvE play. However, this begs the question why have any PvE content at all (let alone 5 tiers full of repetitive missions) if it can't be made interesting?

And what compelling PvP opportunities are there for someone on a 14-day trial? I wasn't even able to reach a PvP battle as a spectator in my empty, unarmed rookie ship with being podkilled at the bordering gate.

@godot: Eve is dead for new people. It is is, last chance to get on the EvE boat unless ebaying was atleast a year maybe almost 2 years ago, and I don't care what some 3millsp pilot has to say about that. As for why they have pve content, I guess they had to make a way for stable income such as mining but without putting too much effort into it, they want everyone to pvp and not pve. It is just there for having a relative quick way to earn ISK to pvp.

It got fun for me at 1mill sp, but you will be obsessed with skills atleast until 10mill sp. But now the average is 15mill or something maybe even more, when I started that number was like 2-3mill, maybe less. As nice it is not to care about "levels" in EvE you still care, just have to deal with the frustration of not being able to do something about it. In WoW I can grind faster, if bored make a new character and grind fast, it all depends on my time, in SWG you had it based on professions, just delete the one you are bored with pick another, and if you wanna mster it then grind or whatever, still goes fast, easy if you know what to do and takes little to no time compared to eve skill waiting real life time counting the calender.

I take WoW any day over most if not all MMO's when it come to pve, for pvp I still miss SWG and EvE got boring after I think I played it for almost 2years.

If you wanna hop into an MMO hop on WoW or something new, not EvE.

Ah, PvE isnt so bad, the best ratting is out in 0.0 and its a fun experience, killing rats while keeping an eagle eye on local chat to see if anyone is entering the system, keeping an eye on your intelligence channels watching for incoming hostile corps, playing cat and mouse with roving hostile gangs when they try and take out ratters. Its cool.

And so long as your ratting in a gang, it can be decent fun back in empire too.

The people who mine though? seriously why?

Oh wait i was one of them with my first char.

@ShineDog: Killing rats in 0.0 as I have for months, longer at a time, getting very wealthy is NOT fun. It is boring, if you think that pve is fun or good then you have very low standards. It may be fun the first weeks watching local being a paranoid fuck, then it is boring.

Pirating however is fun, killing people doing pve is also fun :) Playing cat and mouse very fun as well, well before and after warpcore stabs were in the game when everyone used them.

But no one in their right mind can say pve in EvE is "fun" lol sorry man, no one!

Its utter nonsense that a new player can have no place in eve, absolute rot.

While WoW is fine for most people, its not the game Eve is or is trying to be. The single player driven universe assures that.

I dont like WoW, the combat is too mechanical and simple to sustain me when thats basically all there is, since you basically play through a preset story and everyone eventually has the same stuff. I find it silly that everyone is doing the same quests all the time.

My dreams for MMOs always involved the playerbase going through a story together and building the world themselves. UO tried this for a while, Matrix online tried this but its shit. WoW doesnt try this at all barring some prescripted events which are rare and mostly suck (I understand its too big to manage events reasonably but not my problem)

Eve is the only game out there where players really go through the story together, and best of all they are writing it themselves.

The whole politicing and infighting within BoB recently? This is brilliant stuff. Its fantastic to see it unfold, its fantastic to wonder where its going (who could have forseen BoB failure cascading like it did?)

Yeah, its a slow game, its hardcore as all hell and its definatley not for everyone. But for those people who it IS for, nothing else is going to quite push those buttons.

And sorry, dont talk crap about there being no place for noobs, Its not noob friendly, but you are going to be able to make money, help your corp out (maybe not as much as someone established but so what?) and work your way up to a bigger ship and better skills, same as always.

@ShineDog: EvE is a great game, awsome even I loved it for almost if not 2 years. The politics are amazing, and it is very cool with players writing their own story, I myself had a big part of it :D And did pull some strings and so on, very dramatic :P

EvE has a place, but...

If you are new now, forget it, I don't care what you say man, this game has progressed to far for any noob to be able to get into it, unless you got 15+mill SP don't bother. If you think otherwise fine, but I would never reccomend this game to a new person unless he ebays a good char, NEVER!

Best thing, is for this game to get a sequel, the end. Or drastically up the SP for new players, they wont do that though. Sorry, this game is dead for new players, but don't take my word for it, try it yourself.

"and work your way up to a bigger ship and better skills, same as always."

It will take you A FULL YEAR to get bigger better ships and the skills required to fly them and money to fit them compared to the competition of EvE which is ahead of you by an average of 1 year now as they will allways be, the same after a year for you they are still ahead 1 year there is no such thing as catching up to others in EvE. It was not a big problem 1-2years ago but now it is.

And unless you fight other people that are noobs and don't matter you can't do anything as a "noob" (I hate the word actually,) but then none of the politics matter and then the game has no story at all so might as well play counter strike on a public server which is more fun BTW not to mention free, unless you got the ISK/money to blow on ships, but then you would be an ebayer. If not, then you have to do the most boring PVE ever in an MMO in highsec space for little to no reward, whether that be mining or missions.

But again, don't take my word for it, try it out. And if you enjoy it with little SP then I'm happy for you, but I bet you will quit after 7months, thats the average time when most people quit EvE.

if this is the sort of game that can kill XP, I'm terrified about what it would do to my Vista machine. I'm going to pass on this one.

At least eve makes an attempt at being a player evolved universe. You guys who spend your lives trawling through warcraftland as a kitsch cartoon character have seriously too much time on your hands. South Park never got it so right.

For those who may know both, how is EVE likely to compare with Infinity?
[www.infinity-universe.com]

@riler: True, I agree, but I loved both WoW and EvE.

Now I don't play any MMO though. I wait for something "new" and "fresh".

Sure, serious hard core you can lose stuff PvP, that's ok.

The game company execs playing and giving out favors to friends plus PvP? No thanks.

What happened to that "User oversite group" that CCP was going to implement so players could keep an eye on the goodies that were handed out unfairly? Nothing, that's what happened.

Not a bad game, but you must enjoy economics and serious possible loss of hard earned $ PvP. But sometimes it makes it that much more exciting to take somebody out.

EVE is the mmo that has kept my interest for years, nothing more exhilerating than putting a 200 million isk battleship on the front lines fighting for your alliances very existence.

@GODOT, infinity is vaporware

That XP killing thing was something horrible, but it only effected certain configurations of XP, (I think it was if XP was on a dual boot and even then only on certain circumstances) terrible and unforgivable, but also passed and never effecting Vista.

Dont worry about that, at least.

EVE can be a great game, but you have to devote quite some time to it to get the most out of it. This is no month or two to level 70 like you'd find in WoW - which is one of the biggest problems with hooking people. Getting people into a game which can take weeks to even begin revealing itself fully is no easy feat, but hopefully the Steam trial will snag at least some. I don't play it any more but it is a whole lot of fun and deserves to succeed.

@ShineDog: True, it was one of those freak of accidents, and I bet it will never EVER happen again, so people should not worry about that.

Blast! I've been an off-again-on-again EVE'er for the past two years. It's like that skanky girlfriend who you go call up for a good throw or two but then realize "Oh yeah, you're still a skanky ho".
This is mighty tempting.

I miss this game, but too many offline games I need to catch up on before I can go back. I heartily recommend it.

One of the most interesting things about EvE is that truly has created a complex, deep, and primarily player driven economy. If that's the sort of thing you're interested in toying around with, it's possible to make vast sums of space money while hardly ever even stepping into a spaceship. Of course, you'll likely have to get in a ship and grind a little to make some start up capital, but if you make good choices, you can produce obscene amounts of ISK. It might not sound like the most exciting thing to everyone, but for some people, it's an interesting challenge and a good time.

Dont listen to this guy trying to scare off new players. Eve is a mmorpg where "level" matters the least out of any other mmorpg when it comes to PVP. It is true that there is no way to "catch up" to the huge SP of older players because there is no cap like WoW and it would take anyone 30+ years to cap out all skills.

I have two accounts each with 5mil SP (about 3-5 months training time) in the third largest alliance in eve. One flys a BS for ratting and earning money, the other is my pvp interceptor pilot with a full T2 nano fit, 36 kills and 2 deaths.. all on pilots with a lot more skillpoints than I. It's not because I alone am stronger than they are, it's a group effort.

there is no better pvp mmorpg, even for new players.

@Irenicus-the one and only: I don't think you've played it enough if you are telling people it is too late to start. Every new "free" expansion usually updates the new player experience, making it a lot easier for new players to catch up in skill points, usually by giving newer players higher attributes to decrease training times.

Also, even a character who is only a week old is very valuable in PVP. They won't have the biggest guns in the fight but a frigate or a cruiser can do a lot in a gang even if it's only to intercept and tackle the person you guys want to kill.

This game is about tactics, and having more skill points don't mean you win in pvp.

Also a lot of people don't want to pvp, and there is plenty of crafting and money making you can do in this player driven economy. Also you can become a smuggler and smuggle goods through dangerous system for fame and fortune :). There is really a lot to do in this game, and it just keeps getting better and better. Everyone should give it a try, the game takes a bit to learn at first because it's not your standard fantasy mmo, and the game is very challenging to master. But it truly is the greatest and most "open world" MMO available.

EVE tempts me back again with promises of space...
I think what people fail to perceive is the level of empathy you need to have to really get the best of EVE. The standard CS junkie who thinks in twitches and flicks won't ever get the feeling of being a lone human scorching across the inky black of space with nothing but a cheap shield and the cannons you picked up 3 stations back are low on slugs. Where it MATTERS when you die, even despite the ressurection. Current MMO trends never really punish you for dying, not in the old punishing ways that used to exist of XP and cash loss. Now it's "10% dura damage" which you can fix with the pocket change of a single drop.
But in EVE well...you start to sweat as 3 red blips appear off in the distance. You were nagivating your way through the lawless sectors of space. Riding in the cargo hold is a massive supply of meds that you sunk your fortune into buying. Your ship while sturdy, is near defenseless and the dots are growing larger. The agonising turning as you align for a warp blast away and the panic as you hear the lock on beeps...
It's very hard to find that kind of atmosphere anywhere else.

@Legopirate: Crafting? lol GL with that the first months...

oh and "20k" xp increases means nothing, or have they increased that?

Also, smuggler? Was that fixed last patch or something, because last time I checked the smuggling skills and system have been broken since beta.

Oh and I bet I played this game a lot more then you. I played in many corps, both big and small, some famous some less.

PS: 1 weekers in frigates are not valuable, but keep telling yourself that.

@Zodduska: 5mill sp, goon? lol whatever man. Keep telling yourself SP matters nothing, I had several chars atleast 2 over 30mill sp all put in combat skills, I know better.

I didn't quit because I don't like the game, I quit because after a long while it got boring for me and I felt I done it all, or most anyway, and people leave and shit happens (BoB, devs etc.) But, even though I DO like EvE Online, I would not reccomend it to anyone today, starting fresh. It is too late and you can argue it all you want, anyone with enough SP and playtime would say starting over or start a new in EvE is a waste of time. Especially now the game is old.

Better wait for a sequel or a new game that offers something similar. But if you wanna try it go ahead, if you like it even better. But I warned you, now for the last time in this thread lol sorry EvE fans.

@Irenicus-the one and only: What?

Maybe it would take that much time for someone without help, but a good alliance usually

It's true a player won't catch up to so much older players, but there's a law of diminishing returns at play here. T2 here is only marginally better than named, which is only marginally better than standard gear.

Even with the best fitted battleship, two good players with cheaply (but smartly) fitted battleships are a very significant threat. Same applies for every size of ships. A good PvP frigate will be a very dangerous adversary for a single interceptor.

In a year, a smart player can get to a point where he can have a fair chance against pretty much any non-capital in PvP.

Eve = Darwinism

It's not for casual players who are used to WoW holding their hand.

And PVE sucks. I play Eve cuz I like to KILL other people, steal their loot, and have my way with their corpses. The PVE is only filler.

Also, it's untrue that you can't compete this late in the game. I was killing players that were 3 years older than me when I was a 3 month old noob. Survival of the fittest, and specialization.

I must remember my first try at the game. I must remember sitting there watch